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Series 2009 $10 Notes From The Jb-C Block

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 Posted 06/19/2016  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
By sheer coincidence going through money I set back as an emergency fund I found a Series 2009 $10 from the JB-C block.

Mine is serial number JB02893641C Face Plate: 64 Position G2 Back Plate 57

I will set it aside and scan it when I have more time.

-MV
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 Posted 06/20/2016  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xxJOExx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fantastic, thanks for sharing the data point Meadowview!
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 Posted 06/20/2016  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cashhound to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Going through the register I came up with a couple too. Hope these help.

Series-2009-$10-Notes-From-The-Jb-C-Block

Series-2009-$10-Notes-From-The-Jb-C-Block
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 Posted 06/21/2016  08:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xxJOExx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Going through the register I came up with a couple too. Hope these help.


That's awesome, thanks cashhound! By chance do you still have the notes that you could also post the back plate numbers of each?
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 Posted 06/21/2016  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I tried scanning the note, in the preview it would only show part of the note and when I completed the scan my computer said it wasn't available.

Luckily, I have a tablet with a camera so I used that. It's not the best picture but I hope it will suffice.

Series-2009-$10-Notes-From-The-Jb-C-Block


-MV
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 Posted 06/21/2016  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cashhound to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here ya go, Joe!

S/N JB2527862C :
Series-2009-$10-Notes-From-The-Jb-C-Block

S/N JB05396098C :
Series-2009-$10-Notes-From-The-Jb-C-Block
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 Posted 06/22/2016  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Found another

JB22362436C

Front Plate: H61
Position: H2
Back Plate: 57

No picture of this one unfortunately.

-MV
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 Posted 06/23/2016  08:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xxJOExx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the photos and vital statistics cashhound and MV, this is good data!
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 Posted 07/09/2016  12:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsearcher83 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Got this one a couple days ago:

JB03986109C D3 59/46

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 Posted 07/09/2016  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xxJOExx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awesome, thanks coinsearcher! I found one the other day that was very close to yours: JB 03899970 C D3/D61/46
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I see many notations about cracks, blisters, dimples and denomination change. I'm guessing that when abnormalities
surface and are detected, plates are pulled, sheets are destroyed, and star notes come into play. The BEP does not want to distribute error notes, and through constant inspection and re-inspection of the final product very, very few engraving errors and errors in general ever see the light of day.


@ xxJOExx

I was going to post a separate thread awhile back on BEP Plate Number varieties, but really feel that with your in depth personal experience on BEP Plate Positions, and SteveIn Tampa's comment above, it would be better posted here..

I would be interested in your inputs (and others) on the *Broken "4" (back plate) Variety that was not listed when Bob Kvederas (Jr. & Sr.) published their 2004 edition - "The Standard Handbook of $1 Web-Fed Test Notes - 1988A, 1993, 1995 - Second Edition"..

About 2 years ago, I purchased a few series 1988A Web-Press notes from the F-N Block, and when marking the Combo's checklist, had noticed a "unreported" 5/1 Plate Combination..

I had eMailed photos to Bob Kv. and received a reply that my 5/1 note was actually a Broken "4" variety from the 5/4 plate Combo..

Unlike the sheet-fed press that assigns plate positions & numbers on the front, Web notes lack this sheet plate location information, and it is only possible to determine the COPE plate position through it's serial numbers.

The notes in question are both from Run #12 - COPE info for both 5/4 Web combo's are as follows;

F73467203N - 5/4
COPE P/Position - H2
Sheet # 67203 of 200,000 sheets for Run #12
Normal Web
((*E4 serial number on this sheet should be F76067203N & may be the Broken "4" variety also))

F76064350N - 5/*4 - (*looks like a "1")
COPE P/Position - E4 (Ser.# range 76000001 - 76200000)
Sheet # 64350 of same 200,000 sheets for Run #12
*Broken "4" Variety

Without the E4 COPE Plate Position printed on Web notes, the only way I know of in trying to confirm how many Broken"4" variety notes from this Block's 200,000 notes assigned to E4 that may have actually entered circulation is to locate series 1988A $1.00 notes serialed F76000001N - F76200000N and check the back plate number for a 4 that looks like a 1..

The kicker is, COPE's Serial Numbering System was designed for the 32 subject pre-cut sheets printed for the sheet-fed press (as the 50 subject SOI press is for LEPE Numbering)..
Each format has its own plate position numbering system where the machine operator or inspector that finds a flaw in any of the 32/50 subjects, can pinpoint and tag the Printing Plate location (that I assume from reading this thread, can remove the problem notes as they are Serialed & replace it with Star Notes)..

The Alexander Hamilton Web Press held 96 face & back plates, and printed
all 96 in a single pass on 24,000 ft rolls, then trimmed into 32 Subject Sheets for COPE processing..

Common sense tells me that the 96 Plates are 3 sets of 32 Plates, and the Broken "4" back plate variety was limited to every 3rd Sheet Serialed on plate position E4, making it more difficult to census this variety..

Since the Bureau of Engraving & Printing ended the Web Press Test Run some 20 years ago, does anyone know how the 96 Plates from either front or back printing can be traced to one individual flawed Plate?

I know the pre-cut sheet-fed systems can easily pinpoint a flawed Plate location, and other then the 3 optical camera's used to inspect all 96 notes for flaws on the Alexander Hamilton press prior to trimming into 32 subject sheets for COPE overprinting, I have no idea if there was method used to pinpoint a flaw on any of the 96 notes after being trimmed into 32 subject sheets..




Series-2009-$10-Notes-From-The-Jb-C-Block

Series-2009-$10-Notes-From-The-Jb-C-Block

Series-2009-$10-Notes-From-The-Jb-C-Block

I wanted to wait a week for this thread to remain idle before posting..

I may have posted a reason to start looking at Web's again.
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 Posted 07/15/2016  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xxJOExx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I would be interested in your inputs (and others) on the *Broken "4" (back plate) Variety that was not listed when Bob Kvederas (Jr. & Sr.) published their 2004 edition - "The Standard Handbook of $1 Web-Fed Test Notes - 1988A, 1993, 1995 - Second Edition"..


Broken-Coin, this is really intriguing. I've never heard of the "Broken 4" variety of web note.


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Without the E4 COPE Plate Position printed on Web notes, the only way I know of in trying to confirm how many Broken"4" variety notes from this Block's 200,000 notes assigned to E4 that may have actually entered circulation is to locate series 1988A $1.00 notes serialed F76000001N - F76200000N and check the back plate number for a 4 that looks like a 1..


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Common sense tells me that the 96 Plates are 3 sets of 32 Plates, and the Broken "4" back plate variety was limited to every 3rd Sheet Serialed on plate position E4, making it more difficult to census this variety..


Yes, this seems plausible. In addition to F-N run 12, I would expect other runs where BP 4 also shows up to exhibit this "Broken 4", so you could expand your search to include other runs, improving your odds of finding more examples since it may well be limited to plate position E4.

Do you have the ability to make an even higher resolution scan or capture the image under higher magnification? I'd like to see the broken 4 in greater detail because I'm puzzled as to how it came about.
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 Posted 07/16/2016  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All my photos are high resolution photos, and had to resize the images here to under 300KB..

I'm currently on my tablet and need a day or two to reply to GoldenChest's thread from 5 month's ago when I recommended he look into purchasing series 1963 $1 C-* & 63A G-* notes, but never replied to his question on why I recommended this..

I didn't realize 5 months had gone bye, and since I assume he didn't take my advise, Yesterday I purchased 9 star notes and now need to explain in detail why I have done this..
(I failed to mention that I would never advise anyone on what to purchase if I wasn't willing to purchase it myself)

Back to the Broken 4 plate..
I would have to check all series 1988A Web Blocks & Runs with the 5/4 Plate Combination, then do some math to list the assigned Serials for COPE Plate Position E4..

It can only be the 5/4 combo with no other front plate number as unlike the Sheet fed press that requires 3 days between back and face printings, the Web had printed the 96 front side's first, passed through a oven to dry the ink, then proceed to printing the 96 notes reverse side..

My focus the last 18 years has been on Errors, never really cared about Plates & Serials till I started to make serial number charts for confirming overprint errors by sheet..

There was a learning curve on Webs as they lack plate positions & only show plate numbers..

20 years after its demise, now I have multiple questions on the combined 196 Plates mounted on the Alexander Hamilton Web Press..

Chances are there are no related documents available via a FOIA request..
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 Posted 07/16/2016  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add YNumismetals Collector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey Joe, do you have a YouTube account?
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 Posted 07/17/2016  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another one

JB03641591C

C3
Front 64
Back 46

-MV
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