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1865 2 Cent Overdate?

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 Posted 06/05/2016  5:13 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add uruman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was looking through my 2 cents and found these, but I'm not sure if it is an repunched date.

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 Posted 06/05/2016  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dustin6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wouldn't say overdate because that is when a different number is present. I was thinking more like minor repunched date
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 Posted 06/05/2016  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add uruman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dustin6, you"re right it would be a repunched date.
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 Posted 06/05/2016  7:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dustin6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Still a really cool coin. I don't have any repunched dates in my whole collection.
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 Posted 06/12/2016  1:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes a minor repunched date (RPD). There are no over date punches in the Two Cent series, the older price books and other coin guides used to list two: 1865/4 and a 1869/8 both are now proven to be only repunched dates and not over dates. The so-called 1869/8 is the tougher one when found in the late die state where a die break runs through the lower portion of the date.

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A low grade example of the so-called 1869/8 in later die state with break.
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 Posted 06/23/2016  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tetonwarrior to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One of my consignors has the same RPD Two Cent coin except in BU condition. It also shows repunching of the 6 and 5. I know there are several RPD varieties for the 1865 Two Cent but haven't found a label for this one.

Does anyone know what the variety is and what kind of value it holds so I can sell it?

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 Posted 06/23/2016  5:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice example, Tetonwarrior, and -



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 Posted 06/24/2016  03:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF Tetonwarrior

IMO I would first soak this coin in some soapy water or even some acetone for 5 - 10 minutes just to loosen up the crud adhering around and within the date.

Then I would use a porcupine quill to scrape out the gunk to better visualize the total formation of the RPD.
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 Posted 06/24/2016  2:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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IMO I would first soak this coin in some soapy water


Did you look at Tetonwarrior's coin? There is absolutely no gunk in the date area that needs to be removed.

This coin is AU/BU condition why would soap and water be needed? Throwing advice like this out there is how many coins are ruined needlessly.

It is best to leave coins alone or submit them to third party conservation/grading companies and let them decide if a coin would benefit from a conservation.

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 Posted 06/24/2016  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
don't need to do anything with the BU coin from Tetonwarrior, it's no issue, I'd personally never put a copper coin in water, as water eventually will cause corrosion in copper, better to use Xylene or pure acetone, and let it evaporate naturally, if you need to remove verdigris.

The coin above sure looks like a uncirculated or almost uncirculated coin, it may have had a spot removed on the obverse at one time, and possibly re-colored, but that is more likely the fault of the color balance.
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 Posted 06/24/2016  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tetonwarrior to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks nice welcome and the props on the coin. javascript:insertsmilie('')

The date image was taken with the microscope setting on my camera which is why the color is off from the full view images.

I am not sure whether a spot was removed from the shield or if it some sort of stain like the spot to the left of the date. There are no pick marks where the spot is, so I am thinking it is a stain.

As for cleaning, it is free of debris/grit so I don't think it would be a benefit to the coin to soak it in acetone or anything else.

Grade wise, both the owner and I think it would grade about a 63. However, with the spots it would probably come back unc details stained/spot removed from PCGS or NGC.

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 Posted 07/15/2016  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As to the variety, I'm not exactly sure there is a catalog number for it, it is a minor RPD which there are quite a few in 1864 & 1865. I would say as to value it might bring a very small premium over a normal date 1865 maybe $10-20 at the most, I think most dealers wouldn't even mark it up.
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 Posted 07/16/2016  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Did you look at Tetonwarrior's coin? There is absolutely no gunk in the date area that needs to be removed.

I'm sure mpdmedia's comment was in reference to the OP coin not Tetonwarrier's
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