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hello, I'm new to this forum. I am an antique restorer in columbia sc and have a healthy appetite(older novice) for confederate and coins. I have several civil war tokens and what I know about them I've learned in the past few days bidding on two 1863 flag of our country tokens at a local auction.what grabbed my attention was the condition of one,too good to be true. I'm thinking maybe a MS condition. my question, does anyone know of a collector or dealer in this area that could give a reputable grading? I've got the pixs in email and don't know to send from here.i paid $125 for the pair, a spoot- mint or near, and spot- good or better, both "dix"; is that a denomination or a us general?
thanks, trip jennings
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 to the Community! I moved your welcome post to the appropriate forum for the proper attention.  |
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@tripj, first welcome to CCF! Second, there is a tutoring section that describes the posting method for pics. It is pretty easy once you get the hang of it. Third, I would post pics here and let folks here provide their opinion. If you'd like to pay for an opinion, there are a few third party graders which are recommended. And many which are not, but again there is a whole section here on CCF that discusses the relative merits of the various TPGs.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Welcome to the CCF, Tripj. Pics will always attract more attention and replies here. Regarding the grading and attribution of CWT's, NGC tends to be the principal TPG of choice. I would also recommend SEGS, Larry Briggs. Larry attends many shows, and you could likely find him at one in your region. Here's a link to the CWTS website: http://cwtsociety.com/South Carolina is home to the premier auction service for CWT's. Here's a link: http://www.civilwartokens.com/If you do a search for "Civil War tokens" on the CCF, you'll find many informative threads by our members. Here's an explanation of the DIX tokens, per Wikipedia: Among the best-known varieties of patriotic tokens are the so-called "Dix tokens." They are named for John Adams Dix, who served as Secretary of the Treasury in 1861. In a letter from Dix to a revenue cutter captain, Lieutenant Caldwell, he orders Caldwell to relieve another cutter captain of his command for refusing an order to transfer from New Orleans to New York. The letter ends with the following sentence: "If any one attempts to haul down the American flag, shoot him on the spot." The quote found its way to a number of patriotic tokens, albeit with a slightly modified wording ("haul down" is usually replaced by "tear it down"). |
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This here is Trip J my computer expert helped me get the images uploaded!   |
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Tripj .... Glad to see that you got your pics posted! I took the liberty of rotating the first pic to make it more viewer friendly. By cropping the pics, zooming in, one gets a better look at the details and surfaces.   IMHO, this token has AU details, having been cleaned. It would not be worth the cost to slab it. Note the unnatural, uniform color that lacks any signs of luster. Also, note the many, tiny contact marks. Keep in mind that, with these early tokens, it's often difficult to distinguish between strike anomalies and circulation wear on these higher grade pieces. That said, it's no less a cool token and sharp example of this popular variety! Let's see some other members' thoughts ...  Edited by ExoGuy
06/19/2016 1:30 pm
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This is the famous "spoot" variety. The reverse slogan which usually reads, "Shoot him on the spot" reads, "Shoot him on the spoot," instead. Most collectors think that this is an error, but one post I saw on the internet claims that "spoot" is a slang term for "butt."
At any rate this token (Fuld variety 209/414) is rated as an R-2 which means that it is fairly common. It is very popular because of the "spoot" however which adds some dollars to the value. Unfortunately this piece has been cleaned which lowers its value. Over the time the toning mught return, but I would not do anything to it try to make that happen.
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Thank you XO and all,Though not up to expectation,they are mine, probably paid too much, not the first time, and certainly not the last and with all the expert advice here,I'm more informed.
What has a cleaned coin gone through? a whizzed coin?
thanks again, tripj
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"Cleaned" usually means that medal has been moved or removed in the process of physically removing a top layer of tarnish, dirt or toning. "Whizzing" refers to the use of wire brushes and usually a solution to move the medal around to give a coin a false mint luster. This practice was very common in the 1970s, and it was a way that coin doctors took Almost Uncirculated coins and made them look Mint State to cheat collectors. The buyers of such coins got a double messing with. The coin they bought was not Mint State and it was now damaged. The ANA set a policy that member dealers could not even sell such coins. Today they can go into certification holders, if they are genuine, with a notation that they have been whizzed. |
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