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What Thread Size For Reverse Mount Adapter, Canon EOS + Nikkor 50mm F2.8

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I just added a 50mm El-Nikkor f2.8 enlarger lens to my cache and want to experiment with reversing the lens. I believe that I need a reverse mount adapter. Just not sure which ring I need for my CANON EOS. Is it a 40.5mm filter thread ring I need to buy? As for a reversing ring, what am I looking to buy? Also, what would I need to use the lens in reverse (if possible) with my Vivitar bellows? Are there any posts in this forum that may be helpful for someone just starting to use this setup? Thanks for your replies.
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Yes, 40.5mm. You will need a reversing ring to mount on your bellows. There are options available, but not easy to find.
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What exactly does reversing the lens do? Advantages & disadvantages?
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The 50mm f2.8 EL-Nikkor is designed for projection ratios of 2x...20x. The 35mm film is placed on its "mount" end, while the "filter" end points toward the print film. The image on the print film is between 70mm and 700mm across. If you use the lens for "taking" rather than enlarging, and mount the lens "normally", then it is good for magnification ratios of 1:20 up to 1:2. This means it is great for larger coins and medals, slabs, albums, etc but it is not optimum for small coins, higher magnification closeups, etc.

But if you reverse the lens, its characteristics are reversed. Now the lens is optimum for magnifications of from 2x...20x (!!). In reality, the f2.8 limit makes it good up to about 4x, but that still gives you from 2x...4x magnification range.

Note the region from 1:2 to 2:1 is a "hole" that most enlarging lenses don't do as well in. This is where duplication lenses come into play. They are specifically optimized around 1:1 magnification, and are usually good from 1:2 to 2:1.
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Yes, 40.5mm. You will need a reversing ring to mount on your bellows. There are options available, but not easy to find.


Thanks for the reply.

I also have two other 1970's enlarger lenses, a Rodenstock Omegaron 4.5, f75 and a Rodenstock Omegaron 3.5, f50 available to me. Are they decent lens?

I also added two camera lenses, both rather old (but free) perhaps it may be worth getting an adapter for my Canon EOS? I'll have to dig through your posts on lenses to see if you have tried them.

They are a Nikkor-SC 1:1.2, 55mm and a Nikkor-S 1:2.8, 35mm both are clean. I assume reversing them is not as good as reversing an enlarger lens but they perhaps they may yield good results as standard lenses if I can find an adapter for them to use on my Canon EOS.

For the bellows or helicoid to be used in a reverse mount, would this involve a 40.5mm to 49mm step-up ring and a 49mm to M42 reversal ring?
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Both the Omegaron lenses are decent quality enlarger lenses. Stop each down to f8 and you'll get high quality images from them.

The two Nikkor lenses are probably "OK" reversed at magnifications from 2:1 up to around 4:1. Beyond that the performance will drop off rapidly.

Your Vivitar bellows is probably a T-Mount, so not M42. "M42" means 42mm diameter, 1mm pitch. "T-Mount" is 42mm diameter, 0.75mm pitch. Sort of compatible but not really. So pretty much any brand or diameter of reversal ring will work...T-Mount to 49mm, 52mm, etc. Then a 40.5mm step ring. 52mm seem to be the most common.
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Both the Omegaron lenses are decent quality enlarger lenses. Stop each down to f8 and you'll get high quality images from them.


I have been stepping them down for more DOF after I focus them at max opening aperture. Most times I used f/5.6 for the photo.


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Your Vivitar bellows is probably a T-Mount, so not M42. "M42" means 42mm diameter, 1mm pitch. "T-Mount" is 42mm diameter, 0.75mm pitch. Sort of compatible but not really. So pretty much any brand or diameter of reversal ring will work...T-Mount to 49mm, 52mm, etc. Then a 40.5mm step ring. 52mm seem to be the most common.


OK, just learned something new. I'll have to do more research on this. I assume that if the pitch is wrong then the lens won't snug up properly if it fits at all (damage the threads?). I don't have the specs for the bellows with me, I'll review that when I get home and can look at the box it came in. So far I do have the adapter to connect it to the Canon EOS, that works just fine.

EDIT: The "helicoid" threads just fine into the other end of the bellows but one lens fits snug with less than a full turn to lock into position on the helicoid. The other lens thread in cleanly. We'll see what happens when the rings I ordered arrive. They were cheap enough to place in the "extra parts" box if they don't fit properly.
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