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06/24/2016 10:23 pm
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Rest in Peace
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@ sprag, this coin does not display a lamination error, that missing leaf/ lamination error as you call it is a remnant from this coin being double struck with the second strike being a flip strike. the area you call the missing leaf is the queen's neck.
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Thank you for your input thedollarman, as I said earlier, this piece and many others have been inherited by me from my late grand father, therefore I can only guess on the process of this mint error. Thank you for resolving it. It looked complicated to me to determine the effect of the mint error process. I tried to search a similar mint error to figure out the exact cause of mint error but I came empty handed  Edited by sprag
06/24/2016 10:49 pm
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hi sprag, your coin was struck properly and then somehow entered the production run again and was struck for a second time, this second time however, it fed into the striking chamber flipped over from it's previous striking and was struck by the dies again.
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and although I am not very in touch with the valuation of errors, I would give an estimate around $150-$250 canadian dollars which would equate to 2817.53-4695.89 Czech koruna.
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06/24/2016 10:49 pm
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sprag, do you really think members here have no memory or access to Google?
You've been trying to flog this thing for at least six years.
Same old pics.
Same old incorrect assumptions.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Feel free to call me Will.
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150-250 ? hm, seems a little bit low . the 1969 flip over double strike is a non rare find compare to this and doesn't involve a missing leaf nor does it show a transformed head and 1 of a kind. Your are basically lowering the value of this unique mint error. How do you downgrade it to let say 250? the common 1969 flip over is value at about 300 CAD + Your value is humble to what my late grandfather received as an offer before he passed away. I believe the offer he received was in the 5 digit figure which seems reasonable considering that its a 1 of a kind Mint error. Anyways, it's nice to have a unique an 1 of a kind Mint error. Thank you for your input thedollarman. Do you have any example of this type of mint error to show us ? I would like to see it ...  I like the last post from member who said: Typical example of a flip double strike. Nice coin. can anyone of you show me something this typical of a strike? I mean logically speaking a 1969 flipover can go for about 300-500 depending on the condition and wow this one maybe 150 dollar? are you realistic ? do you know anything about 1 of a kind URS-1 . how did you come up with an URS-1 ( one of a kind) to be valued at under an 1969 flip over cent that accounts to over thousands of examples ? Could you explain the math ? Universal Rarity Scale-1 = 1 known, unique URS-2 = 2 known URS-3 = 3 or4 URS-4 = 5 to 8 URS-5 = 9 to 16 URS-6 = 17 to 32 URS-7 = 33 to 64 URS-8 = 65 to 128 URS-9 = 129 to 256 URS-10 = 257 to 512 URS-ll = 513 to 1,024 URS-12 = 1,025 to 2,048 URS-13 = 2,049 to 4,096 URS-14 = 4,097 to 8,192 URS-15 = 8,193 to 16,384 URS-16 = 16,385 to 32,768 URS-17 = 32,769 to 65,536 URS-15 = 65,537 to 131,072 URS-19 = 131,073 to 262,144 URS-20 = 262,145 to 524,288 URS-21 = 524,289 to 1,048,576 URS-22 = 1,048,577 to 2,097,152 URS-23 = 2,097,153 to 4,194,304 URS-24 = 4,194,305 to 8,388,608 URS-25> = same progression Edited by sprag
06/24/2016 11:23 pm
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hi sprag, it is hard to describe the market and why or why not a coin will sell for more or less than another similar but different error. the 1969 examples were produced deliberaltely and because of how many escaped the mint through the back door so to speak, there are enough to make them popular and obtainable by cent collectors and added to a set of cents which will set a price due to demand. for example, here is a coin which will attract more attention but has many things going for, it due to its age and the monarch on it, you almost never see errors from this period with this monarch on them in canadian numismatics, this coin I would dare to say has much more of a unique factor to it, yet it will likely fail to meet it's estimate at auction http://cnc.forwardsim.com/auction/1...tion/lot/407Feel free to call me Will.
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Quote:Do you have any example of this type of mint error to show us ? I would like to see it ... hi sprag, I do not fully understand what you meant here as far as your tone goes but please remember that I along with the rest of this community are merely here to help and give the best help we can. I am aware of your previous history advertising this piece but I still chose to give you honest help and treat you with a level of respect. and I will only say you should watch the way you carry yourself in this forum as there are people here who do remember you, who also not only are more knowledgable than you in this area but also have the ability to delete this thread and petentially lock your account and boot you out...just a friendly reminder of course... Feel free to call me Will.
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06/24/2016 11:19 pm
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Quote:
I like the last post from member who said:
Typical example of a flip double strike. Nice coin.
sprag, the member who said that in the previous thread, believe it or not is a very experienced, knowledgeable and great member who is well recognized in Canadian numismatics, if he says it is a typical example of the error, than it is and there are many people who would likely take his info at par or more readily than the opinion of a TPG such as PCGS or NGC. Feel free to call me Will.
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06/24/2016 11:34 pm
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Do you have any example of this type of mint error to show us ? I would like to see it ... "what do you mean thedollarman? by that? the smiley is something I choosed that corresponds to a " WOW" like ..." I would like to see a similar type of mint error and be like " wow" ( this smiley in options represents the " wow " smiley. Why are you getting so upset thedollarman? my grandfather passed away and gave me his coins and all I am doing is sharing and participating in a discussion. Your " you tone" ? what tone are you talking about thedollarman? my late grandfather was offered over 5 digits for this 1 of a kind coin , so what is the big deal . There is only one , no thousands of 1969 flipover at 300= 600 $$ a piece . Just asked if you had any other examples to show us all that compares to this one. Please be kind as I have been , thank you, Edited by sprag
06/24/2016 11:42 pm
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@ sprag I do not have an example of this exact year and error, I do not even collect errors avidly, but I have been involved in canadian numismatics and errors have been a prime area of research and interest for me, if I really wanted to, I could within a fairly short amount of time, acquire another similar example of another Elizabethan II and claim it to be unique but do to the majority of this kind of error being on cents of this time period, the error although not confined to a certain date, is fairly available as a type. please do not take offense to my price evaluation as it is not meant to be against you or a low ball in anyway. if you are unhappy with the value than blame the market, not me.
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Blame the market? how did you end up deciding on the value of market? I'm lost  . Anyways, thank you thedollarman for your input, so you give this coin a 250 worth top. Less than the non-unique 1969 flip over. Great, now I can just jump off the bridge because I got tons of debts and thought it was worth something. Thanks for being honest. Edited by sprag
06/24/2016 11:53 pm
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i gave you an educated guess judging from what I have seen similar items sell for or get estimated at.
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