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"Adams exposed so that he didn't blow out highlights, then processed to retrieve shadow detail and preserve contrast" That was paraphrased from my notes from a seminar on the system. What you stated didn't make any sense to me. Lets make this absolutely clear the statement you wanted to highlight was well known before Adams. The importance of the zone system is actually in how to achieve that principle in landscape photography. In regards to the other question asked by IRBguy. I used a system adapted from Ansell ( that's is why I had added the word "adapted"). There are a number of modern adaptations on Ansell's zone system One reference among a number is The Digital Zone System: Taking Control from Capture to Print". I had assumed the picture would have told you everything about how I adapted Ansell's system to my exposure and compositional needs. Edited by austrokiwi
07/01/2016 11:36 pm
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Are you delusional? Ray you are now going beyond offensive. If I quote someone I use quotes. I am asking that a moderator step in and delete your last post for being abusive. I suggest you go back and read my posts with the understanding that I was trying to understand what in the world you were saying. I still have no idea what you were trying to achieve with you first post. Edited by austrokiwi
07/02/2016 12:36 am
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Lets get this clear I haven't re-edited anything you said. I actually have had great difficulty understanding what you believe I have re-edited. At the very worst I might have taken what you said out of context but that would have been due to my confusion of your portrayal of the Zone system.
You are the one who has inappropriately resorted to a personal attack. I have nothing to apologize for..... You really need to chill out.
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AK...look back at my last un-deleted post. If you read it, and properly comprehend it, you will understand the mistake you made. There is no need for you to apologize for this mistake, just to realize it was made and rectify it. However, you further complicated this mistake with the following statement: Quote:
That was paraphrased from my notes from a seminar on the system. What you stated didn't make any sense to me. You claim that the quote was your paraphrase of notes, yet if you simply look back at my 2nd post in this thread, you will see that they are indeed my words. Here they are in their entirety, with the relevant quote you claim as yours in bold: Quote:
You guys are over-complicating it. Adams exposed so that he didn't blow out highlights, then processed to retrieve shadow detail and preserve contrast. He also took advantage of lens flare to bring shadow levels up within the camera system, choosing lenses with different amounts of flare to achieve the goals. This made shadow detail easier to retrieve. All of these things are achievable on global level using simple histogram tools such as those within DPP. Masking requires more sophisticated tools, but are really not advised for coins anyway. I've tried many of the masking techniques that Adams used (and many more) that are available in Lightroom and other tools, but their application tends to make a coin appear un-natural (ie not like it does in-hand). Simpler global levels adjustments preserve the overall "look" of the coin while enhancing global details. Is this clear to you now? It is this claim that my words were yours that you need to apologize for. Contact me for photographic equipment or visit my home page at: http://macrocoins.comEdited by rmpsrpms
07/03/2016 12:14 am
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I used a system adapted from Ansell Sorry to be so thick headed, but I am genuinely confused. Who or what is Ansell? Is that a misspelling of Adams's first name? ANSEL Adams? Or is it the name of some European company that developed something similar? |
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I really was just referring to the single statement, which of course is not the entire scope of the Zone System, just a small part that I thought was interesting and could be applied to the way I do coin photography and recommend to others. I wish that had been clear to me out of the gate. The open reference to a Wikipedia page did not zero in on that, so I assumed you were referring to the principles of the whole Zone System. Done in by the wiki!! |
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I wish that had been clear to me out of the gate. The open reference to a Wikipedia page did not zero in on that, so I assumed you were referring to the principles of the whole Zone System. Sorry for that. I didn't expect the confusion. The thread title and the specific quote was all I was referring to in regard to the Zone system. I left the first post intentionally short to generate discussion, but not confusion. |
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Who or what is Ansell?
Is that a misspelling of Adams's first name? ANSEL Adams? Or is it the name of some European company that developed something similar? Its a miss-spelling with a numismatic background. I meant Ansel Adams. Ansell is a London mint worker of the mid 19th century who was responsible for one of the key varieties of Gold sovereign ; the Ansell sovereign(which is on my hunt list). Like you I thought rmpsrmps was referring to the whole zone system. Edited by austrokiwi
07/04/2016 12:39 am
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AK...when I saw you made a reply, I was encouraged, thinking you were making the apology you owe me.
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Lets see I am accused of re-editing which I didn't do. Then get called delusional and then am told I owe the online abuser an apology. Get Real! I suggest you stop tying to escalate an already bad situation.
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I just read back and discovered,hilariously, what you claim to be a re edit really Rmpsrmps any one can see that you have overreacted unnecessarily and inappropriately.
I quoted one line( that is not re-editing). My comment that followed that single sentence quote actually applied to your whole post not just to the quoted line. I actually thought you were complaining about what I wrote.
A private message would have sufficed to sort the issue out yet you decided to make erroneous accusations publicly.
I am sure our discussion has amused many people. . I have no need to further humiliate myself by continuing this over hyped and very unnecessary exchange.
Rmpsrmps. In future take 10 deep breathes take the dog for a walk and then send a private message.
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07/04/2016 03:04 am
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Both of you have made enough mistakes in writing and reading that neither of you will gain anything by keeping this going. You are both too highly respected for your knowledge and skills as numismatic photographers to gain anything by trying to "win" this one.
Let's move on and allow the validity of the observation that it is useful to shoot for the highlights and post for the shadow details - irrespective of who said it first.
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 with respect to all parties involved here. I vote this thread not only get closed but removed and then let's re-ask the question again about the zone system. Hopefully then it can be kept at an appropriate level of discussion. |
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I agree srs77 and Irbguy. I have already asked SD to poof the thread. It's a shame, since there is good information here, but it was ill-fated from the start, with both Irbguy and AK misinterpreting my intent about proposing using the Zone System for coins.
AK, this is a common pattern in many of our previous threads. You make a mistake, I correct you, and you take it as abuse. It was such a bad situation a few months ago that you vowed never to return to this forum! I was glad you did return, and have been careful not to say anything you might misinterpret as offensive. In fact, even in this thread, when you edited out part of a quote and then complained about the missing part, I responded very carefully ("I am dismayed...") so as not to offend. But rather than reading and understanding what I was talking about, you went off the deep end. My thoughts are always that I'm sure you're a nice guy, and we'd get along fabulously if we ever met, but we just seem to clash in these exchanges.
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Both of you have made enough mistakes in writing and reading that neither of you will gain anything by keeping this going. You are both too highly respected for your knowledge and skills as numismatic photographers to gain anything by trying to "win" this one. Please tell me where my mistakes are. I want to improve. Contact me for photographic equipment or visit my home page at: http://macrocoins.com |
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