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Well lately all my ebay acquisitions have been disappointments, but yesterday's arrival lit my fuse. I made a purchase of a common date Morgan (1887-P) that appeared to be in great condition with gorgeous gold toning on the both the obverse and reverse edges. The seller had it pictured in a 2x2 with the grade "MS-66" on it. I know better than that. I conservatively graded it MS64 from the decent pictures in the listing. Upon arrival and closer inspection, there is a significant scrape on the reverse that stretches from the 'U' in United to the 'E' in One. It smashed the base of the 'E' and there is a rim ding just opposite the 'N' in One. I was dumbfounded and returned to the listing and photos. That area had gorgeous gold toning and no trace of a scrape (and no ding in the rim). The coin in hand was devoid of toning in that area. There are other markers on the coin that match the listing, so it is the same coin. I looked at the 2x2 and there was no evidence of exterior damage. The item was well packaged and I am 100% sure it did not sustain this damage in transit. That started me thinking ... how could this get this way without a deliberate attempt to defraud by the seller. I emailed the seller last night for instructions on returns per his ebay policy. I know, I know you all like pictures, but I didn't have enough time to get a picture last night. I'll try tonight and post both the seller's pic and my pic. The amazing thing about all of this, that seller has a 100% feedback rating and over 2500 feedbacks. Based on the evidence, here is what I believe happened: The seller took the pictures of the coin without damage. He sold it (probably on ebay) and it was damaged in transit. The buyer returned it for a refund. The seller relisted it with the old pictures and without comment on its current condition thinking some Noob will buy this "no questions asked". Problem is "I ain't a Noob!".  Edited by SeatedNut
02/26/2008 6:13 pm
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were the photos dated? if they were recent, then check out completed listings to try to find the same coin. that might give you your answer.
another possibility is photoshop.
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OK, here are the photos ... From the ebay listing  Now the coin in-hand ...  A close-up of the area in question ...  I got an email from the seller with return instructions.. He has a 7-day return policy ... only problem is the clock starts when he mails the item. Based on that clock, it needs to be postmarked today. That won't happen.  |
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only problem is the clock starts when he mails the item.
Did he conveniently remind you of this, or are you just stating his policy? I would send them another email of your intentions, but will not be able to send back until tomorrow and see the response. Paypal may back a return or bad item issue if you have a bad seller. Not sure though. It's worth a try in my opinion.... |
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Looks to me to be a totally different coin. Looking at the rim above Of America it looks to be dinged up. Your picture does not show this. The ebay picture looks like the coin is setting on top of the 2x2. The bottom rim looks to be showing through. Assuming this is the same 2x2 the staples don't seem to line up. Just my opinion take it with a grain of salt. |
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And the story continues... The seller responded to my request to return the coin and extended the postmark date to today. While I was double-checking the ebay images, I noticed that the seller had an 1887 file name for the obverse and an 1888 file name for the reverse. I now believe he mixed up the pics in the listing and I advised him of this. A follow-on question ... Since this appears to be a seller's error in the listing, should I pursue a refund of postage too(both ways)? In his response he advises that I would only be credited the purchase price. And he has yet to offer any type of apology. |
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If he doesn't refund your initial postage, file a complaint with Paypal. They refund the entire transaction amount. Paypal won't refund your return postage, but it costs less than a dollar to return, so no biggie.
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I don't think that pay pal will refund there usage fee so they will not give you back 100% of your money. pay pal is like a loan shark in many ways they will get there fee's and send you an e-mail to rate them DON'T hold back give them the real way you fell about there B,S fee's!
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Paypal DOES refund the initial s/h to the buyer.
Paypal DOES refund transaction fees to the seller (I think that's what you are referring to as the "usage fee?")
Even if Paypal didn't refund the fees, this buyer wouldn't care anyway, since she never paid a fee...the seller did.
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02/27/2008 12:42 pm
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That is a different coin. Look at the D O in Dollar...they aren't even the same shape! Even the 2 x 2 has an extra hole in it and the staple placement is off. Refund!
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