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Opinions Wanted On A LWC, 1955 Clash Or Clash W/Ddo

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 Posted 07/02/2016  3:13 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Gary W to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This too another one of those old coins I got photo. could not put them up so I just made a slide for it as well


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Everything looks normal to me
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I see some Machine damage in the date, but I don't see where the clash is.
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Looks pretty normal to me as well.
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Ok thanks guys I will have to re shoot in that neck the clash is just above the collar theres that big thing coming out a While I was putting the photos together I seen it very well in the neck the ones beside the ear. Look like Letters but they are really faint I put those lines there to show you where there at.there In between the two blue lines I dont know if you can enlarge those photos but if can I'm sure youl see them.

I just went and got the coin I'm holding it now looking through a loop I'm pretty sure thats a wheat stalk. It goes from the neck to the back of the head line then north I cant believe I didnt see this before. But then again back then I really didnt know anything to look for
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Think I see some contact marks mainly on the date that mimic MD. Could be wrong.

The suggested clashed area within or between the blue lines in the bust would suggest more circulation or contact marks.

On the die the bust is recessed the deepest. A die clash would be more visible in the field area, and not normally carried into the deepest recessed regions. Thanks, Doug.
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Gary W,

very excellent that you posted good photos. However, they are all photos of the wrong parts of the coin for clash diagnostics.

On wheat cents, clash marks don't really show up the way they do on more modern cents. Some of it has to do with the higher-relief of the devices on LWCs. A LWC clash (that did not follow a die change on just one of the dies) will absolutely have a sharp, defined outline of Lincoln on the reverse, and clash marks near Lincoln's neck on the obverse. Not to be confused with progressive indirect design transfer (PIDT), which can be very strong in very late die states.

For a LWC clash, the reverse is too easily confused with ghosting to the untrained eye, so the first place I would look for clash marks would be Lincoln's neck.

Here is a coin I have with obverse clash marks. You can see the "C" in "CENT" behind Lincoln's neck, and part of the "N" in front of his throat. You can even see part of the "E" in "ONE" in front of the date. (it's even more obvious in-hand, you don't even need a loupe)


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I have an image with the reverse superimposed over the fields only, to give an idea of how they match up on this particular coin. The alignment might be a smidge off, but you get the general idea..


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The reverse of this coin does have sharp clash marks, as well. The edge of the fields behind Lincoln (particularly his shoulder) seems to be a very strong area of the die, and very sharp. You can actually see the area where the hit occurred, and changed the metal flow in the die. It cuts diagonally through the top of the "C" in "CENT."


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As far as I am aware, properly aligned LWC clashed dies do not exhibit design transfer within any devices, specifically Lincoln's bust. This is only based on what I have seen, so anyone, jump in, here.
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I forgot to mention.. from those photos you posted, I would wager that what appears to you to be doubling on those legends is just Die Deterioration. It can appear as doubling around letters. Deterioration looks more "crumbly," and will arbitrarily show up on any side of a device. True doubling will appear unidirectional from the original device, and will have form that mimicks the original.
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