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1721 Philipus V Coin

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 Posted 07/09/2016  10:02 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jaxom82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Found this coin at an estate sale in a glass jar with other coins, found it interesting and got it for a few cents, all images and info I find are not quite like this, also would mention its two halves fused together so not sure if its just a fake or not.

Apologies if the pictures aren't as clear as I'd like em, phone camera sucks.

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07/09/2016 10:03 pm
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 Posted 07/10/2016  03:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The evenness of the ?strike? suggests this is not a genuine coin.
Would need to examine it in hand to determine if cast or struck.
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Its strike is even on both sides, its just that its in two halves, still if its silver, it has some little value.
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 Posted 07/10/2016  07:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First, welcome to CCF.


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also would mention its two halves fused together so not sure if its just a fake or not


Second, if what you are describing is a parting line all around the rim, then this is definitely a cast fake or novelty "coin" as authentic coins of 1700s Spain were not manufactured this way. A close-up of the rim's edge would confirm, but may be difficult with your phone's camera.

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to CCF fellow Michigander. I am no pro but it does look like a copy to me. Give it a bit for more members to chime in. Enjoy our great site.
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 Posted 07/10/2016  09:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaxom82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah its all the way around, also looking at the the towers or pillars on the one side are very much less detailed than the normal coins. Its not magnetic, and it carries a heft so I know its not aluminium. So I can get this weighed for silver costs. I see that silver prices are still rising so I'll hold onto it for a while until I see the prices going back down.
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 Posted 07/10/2016  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pistareen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think this coin is very interesting and a well made copy of a very rare Nueva Senora la Reina de Santa Fe de Bogota, Buenaventura de Arce eight reales. Some odd things: The genuine coin shows "ARC" short for Arce, while this coin has the assayers initials backwards (CRA). The genuine coin repeats the date in the legend while this example does not. Lions and Castles are inverted to Castles and Lions which can happen on regal coins. Lastly the crown on the obverse is quite ornate, unlike the genuine 1721 coin. If this were real it would be both rare and expensive. Much of the rest of the design does imitate the genuine piece of eight pretty well. I get the sense this was a museum copy and somewhat modern, but much more than the run-of-the-mill pirate coin copy. It would have buyers among advanced collectors "Black Cabinet" of counterfeits. If it were a bit cruder and did not have so many obvious red flags, it would be more convincing, and whoever made it had the skill to do so, but refrained from making it really tricky. As I said, "very interesting."
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