Posted 11/05/2005 10:02 pm
The Battle Creek Collection specialized in bag toned Morgans. I have to presume that the toning on these Morgans has been well-researched for authenticity of their "natural" toning rather than the coins being artificially toned (e.g., in an oven). I certainly agree that at first blush, the level of toning appears to be artificial, but looking at the patterns of toning and the process by which they were toned leads me to agree that they are, in fact "naturally" (inadvertently rather than intentionally) toned. Here's an article which goes into more detail on the Battle Creek Collection of toned Morgans: http://www.collectors-society.com/n...DArticle=271 .
I also would presume that NGC researched the provenance to confirm they were from the Battle Creek Collection.
In the instance of these two Morgans (1921 and 1898-O), the circular pattern of the toning indicates that the coins were pressed against the bag with pressure of the cloth around the rims, but not the middle. I'm no expert on toned Morgans since my experience with them is limited, but I've observed that AT coins tend to have toning over the entire coin rather than just the outside (with a LOT of qualifications). I have faith in ANACS, NGC, and PCGS that the graders have enough experience to spot fake toning, so I think these two Morgans are OK. I'm also not familiar enough with medman6's auctions of toned coins to pass judgement, but it would be very diffcult to fake an ANACS slab.
Also, could you check to confirm that the CU forum was talking about medman6 or that the discussion got his username correct? I checked his feedback and it's 100% with only two neutrals over several years. Also, he's more of a buyer than a seller although of his five sales of everything in the past three months, two were of toned coins (a Peace $ and a single Walker; the pictures were no longer available). This seller doesn't show the pattern of a con artist; it's possible the single Walker was in fact artificially toned, but medman6 may not have known this.
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I also would presume that NGC researched the provenance to confirm they were from the Battle Creek Collection.
In the instance of these two Morgans (1921 and 1898-O), the circular pattern of the toning indicates that the coins were pressed against the bag with pressure of the cloth around the rims, but not the middle. I'm no expert on toned Morgans since my experience with them is limited, but I've observed that AT coins tend to have toning over the entire coin rather than just the outside (with a LOT of qualifications). I have faith in ANACS, NGC, and PCGS that the graders have enough experience to spot fake toning, so I think these two Morgans are OK. I'm also not familiar enough with medman6's auctions of toned coins to pass judgement, but it would be very diffcult to fake an ANACS slab.
Also, could you check to confirm that the CU forum was talking about medman6 or that the discussion got his username correct? I checked his feedback and it's 100% with only two neutrals over several years. Also, he's more of a buyer than a seller although of his five sales of everything in the past three months, two were of toned coins (a Peace $ and a single Walker; the pictures were no longer available). This seller doesn't show the pattern of a con artist; it's possible the single Walker was in fact artificially toned, but medman6 may not have known this.
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