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I recently bought a big bunch of assorted Russian copper that turned out to have a few small non-Russian coins in it.
I've since identified most of the small coins as Polish or Livonian, but one little (slightly bent) 18 mm copper piece remains unidentified.
One side of it has a crowned double L monogram, with a fleur-de-lis on each side, and a third fleur-de-lis between the two letters. There is a legend around the monogram, which is too worn (and too weird) for me to be confident reading it - my best guess is MAGNA.EL.LE.IR.AVE.K.S?F (I probably read many of those letters wrong).
On the other side is what appears to be a crowned portrait looking left, with the legend (even less certain) C?L.ET.DOM-ETX.DEI (the hyphen corresponds to the place where the crown splits the legend).
As I said, the coin is 18 mm in diameter (a bit more, but not quite 19). It has a dark brown (nearly black) color that makes it look copper, but there's some white showing at the bend, which means the coin could be billon or even silver.
A very similar crowned monogram appears on the French 4 sols 2 deniers (1/16 ecu), but on my coin, the crown splits the legend (my listing of the legend starts from said split), and the bottoms of the L letters intersect with each other, while on the French type, the L letters do not intersect at the bottom, and the legend goes in a full circle around the monogram.
Also, the French coin does not have a crowned portrait, and the legend is completely different anyway.
Any ideas? I'm not sure it's French (I checked Poland-Lithuania before I checked France), and I'm not even sure it's a coin (as opposed to a jeton, say), but it looks interesting enough that it could be something nice anyway. (Historically, I mean - a bent coin is unlikely to sell for much money.)
I'll try to make a picture when I finally find my camera; sadly impossible so far.
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Pictures of it will be your best bet to get it identified here. Hopefully you find your camera. Is there no date on the coin? And if not what were the dates on the other ones you've identified?
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I can't figure out where the date is - it could be part of what I'm perceiving as the legend.
Or it could be in one of the ? places, where the coin has a small hole, and I can't see a few of the letters at all.
The dates on the other coins I've identified (that had an identifiable date) ranged from 1650 to 1938. It was probably a bunch of stuff someone found with a metal detector.
(There were actually a few German and Austrian coins from the late 19th and early 20th century in addition to the Polish and Livonian stuff. And most of the bunch was Russian, obviously.)
And I agree, a picture would be helpful, but I really hadn't seen the camera recently.
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crowned double L monogram Do the two letter Ls face in the same direction or is one backwards? "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Possibly a coin from one of the low countries?  |
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Do the two letter Ls face in the same direction or is one backwards? One backwards (like on the French coins I mentioned, except the bottoms of the Ls intersect). |
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Ok then it kinda sounds like the monogram might be of Leopold I. On his coins from Lorraine, he had eagles (rather than fleur-de-lis) around his monogram. Is this image that I have lifted from delcampe close?  "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Almost exactly as close as the French one (to which it is extremely similar, perhaps deliberately).
And I think I checked Lorraine coins on Numista and there was nothing with a portrait on the other side. But I'm not sure I remember correctly.
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