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1851 $1 Gold Piece .

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This will be a coin I eventually will get this belonged to my step grandfathers father. I also have a nice 1912 S $5 that's my moms I'll eventually get too (it's in a bezel but not damaged and looks beautiful).

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I'd say VF-25 on this one.
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These are difficult to photo cause they're so small. I was thinking VF/xf.
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VF25 also
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no lower than EF-45, coin is nice, clean and lustrous but suffers from a weak strike, there isn't too much actual ware IMO, well not enough to put it below EF+.
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These tiny coins are often mint state with devices that appear XF. This one has wear but not that much as these were too small for regular commerce. It could make XF but VF35 sounds better. These are pretty much unheard of under VF30.
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I'm at EF-40.
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EF-40.
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As well as wear, I have seen a few of these lightly struck in the center of the coin.

Beware jeweler's copies of these in good gold, but the appearance and provenance of this one: authentic.

Something to look forward to!
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The sharpness is no better than VF-20 to 25, but I'd be concerned about weather or not it's genuine. The Type I gold dollars from the Philadelphia Mint usually did not have strike issues on the date and "DOLLAR" area on the reverse. You do see weakness sometimes on the branch mint coins, but not the Philadelphia pieces.

Not to show you up, but here is a Mint State 1851 dollar that you use to compare with your coin.

1851-$1-Gold-Piece-. 1851-$1-Gold-Piece-.

Now that I look at it, I think that you coin probably is genuine. The grade, however, is VF.
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These were one of the first US coins widely faked - coming out of Lebanon in the 1970s for the jewelry market and the source gold was 14kt and 18kt (0.750) jewelry being recycled - mine shot at .724 on the XRF. Mine were bought on 47th St in NYC in fact by my Grandfather.

They were good enough to use in earrings and such, but not good enough to fool a numismatist. Still a lot of the show up as the heirs encounter them.


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Like I said I have nothing into it, I will eventually get it one day and I will immediately have it checked out, if it's real it's a free gold coin if it's not real oh well, the collection has a few hundred dollars in silver too. My mom has a genuine piece which I will photograph one of these days to post on here.....it's in a bezel but not crimped on the coin essentially its surrounding the coin with a gap to remove it in the future it's a 1912 S $5 Indian.
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Good luck alpha/omega and thanks, billjones, for another remarkable coin.
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