1864/1864 Lg Motto Vp-007 RPD Two Cent Piece

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Tim C New Member United States 33 Posts	Posted 07/19/2016 07:11 am How rare is this variety and is there much of a premium for it? Asking because I have one AU/Unc in my collection. I haven't seen many up for auction and I want to get a feel for it's worth. Thanks for any help. Photo from the NGC website Edited by Tim C 07/19/2016 07:32 am Report this Post to the Staff

amida17 Pillar of the Community United States 4897 Posts	Posted 07/19/2016 10:10 am Looks to me like KF-L5-TPD. Full obverse and reverse pics would confirm. Obv. should show a Die chip on top of the leaf below RU of TRUST. Rev. should show Die Crack connecting top of UNIT and the rim above the T. Listed as scarce, however, not really sure if it commands much of a premium? Others will likely address. Report this Post to the Staff
Tim C New Member United States 33 Posts	Posted 07/21/2016 11:16 am Thanks for the help. Interesting variety with a bold repunch. Wish the Two Cent series was more popular. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 07/21/2016 11:43 am That would be bold re-punches. At that time the punches for the date were individual digits punched. Later it was gang punching. (several digits punched at one time) How to tell the difference? The OD would be in different directions on each digit from an individual re-punching. A gang punch would have all directions the same. When this switch happened, I don't know. Report this Post to the Staff
Tim C New Member United States 33 Posts	Posted 07/23/2016 1:25 pm I believe they went with two digit punches at times also. Case in point, the 1880 and 1881 Indian cent. Generally they will have the first two numbers going the same angle, then the last two going in a slightly different angle, but both numbers on each punch angled the same way. This is in no way a suggestion you are incorrect, but that at some point, they used a two number punch. For example...the 18 on one punch, then the 81 on another punch. Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 07/23/2016 1:39 pm Quote: That would be bold re-punches. At that time the punches for the date were individual digits punched. Later it was gang punching. (several digits punched at one time) How to tell the difference? The OD would be in different directions on each digit from an individual re-punching. A gang punch would have all directions the same. When this switch happened, I don't know. Around 1840. After that pretty much everything is a four digit logotype punch. There may be some exceptions, but I can't think of any right off the top of my head. Quote: Case in point, the 1880 and 1881 Indian cent. Generally they will have the first two numbers going the same angle, then the last two going in a slightly different angle, but both numbers on each punch angled the same way You say "generally", are there examples that DON'T show the different angling between the first two numbers and the last two? And do they come with different angles/placement between the two groups? If not then that angling between the two groups is probably in the four digit logotype. Edited by Conder101 07/23/2016 1:45 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Tim C New Member United States 33 Posts	Posted 07/24/2016 1:47 pm I believe that in the manufacture of the date punch itself, there were two punchings...a 1-8 punched, then a 8-1 punched. the angles bear this out. Maybe they turned this into a four number solid metal single punch, but it clearly wasn't a single solid piece at the very start. Report this Post to the Staff
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