In Edward Cents Are There Or Are There Not 2 Different 9's? Please See Pics

Actually, there are 4 different fourth digit for the 1909. They are all described in Jack Griffin's book DOMINION OF CANADA DIE VARIETIES OF EDWARD VII and GEORGE V LARGE CENTS Monograph 3 1902-1920.
In a nut shell,there is a narrow and wide and open and close last 9.
Jack has divided the 1909 into 7 groups that include 10 different digits in total.
If you are interested in varieties,there are many publications available that are sure to fill most of your spare time.
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cdcoinman, Do you know the date of the latest Griffin publication, and where one may be purchased? The last time (about 5 years ago) I tried to get one it was impossible to find. Is someone making reprints? JimmyD Thank you so much for the great pictures. I will add these to my store of info while I still search for Griffin's monologue. While I deal mostly with Victorian cent varieties, it would be wonderful if there was more interest in publishing new studies of Edwardian and George V large cents. I have held over 1000 of these in great shape hoping I would live long enough to find such research materials. The best I have yet seen is the varieties section at the rear of the Charleton, which I have held from the start. Thanks again to all of you for your help.

Some are actually different fonts, not necessarily sizes .. a lot like the 1899's and the 1859/8 .. the 9's being much different on the 1859.

I must warn you folks that are reading this thread and not remembering past comments that I have made. Jack Griffin's 1990 book was a variety guide based almost entirely, and what he organized it as, as a "date spacing guide". Every entry is listed in accordance and in the order of the digit spacing, with the variety noted later (of if at all). It was an exhaustive study and, by far, one of the bibles that has to be in a large cent collector's library along with the 7 Zoell pamphlets.

However, and this is a hugs warning .. you CAN NOT use the Charlton reprint (listed as Monograph 1) to identify ANY Griffin variety by using the photos and/or thumbnails. The photos and the verbal description do not match. If you use the Monograph, using ONLY the verbiage, then you are OK .. but DO NOT use the photos to ID a Griffin number. The 59's and 81's are especially out of whack.

When 4-5 of us wrote the 2011 Charlton (65th) variety section, Monograph 1 had just come out. As soon as we finished the Charlton back pages, we divvied dates up and corrected the mismatches and mistakes and submitted to Charlton. We found a nearly 30% total error rate though the Vickies(and some nearly 50% by date) in the photo mismatching the description. The monograph covers quite a few more coins, but you CAN NOT use the photos. Charlton (now under new ownership) even 4-5 years ago wouldn't put out a corrected reprint until all the old stock was sold. Even if you disregard the photo matching, it's a good book to have, but very misleading for people not deeply into it. BTW, Jack was a great man. B

coinman ... I really don't remember if we did the same read/correction suggestions to Charlton to Mono 3, which covered the Ed's and Geo's. However, I remember that the Mono 3 appeared to be much more accurate. Again, Mono 1 has accurate descriptions and numbers, but the ORIGINAL Griffin works had no photos/pics at all ... it was all just words. In the original work, Jack split each date into groups, based soley on date spacing and the physical appearance of a single or more digits. The problems came when Charlton added incorrect photos to accurate verbiage.

The Mono 1 reprint added varieties in that group and was designated with the same Gr number, but a different alphabet letter. For example, the of original work for Gr 17 ended at Gr-17L The reprint goes to M. Other Griffin numbers do the same .. adding Griffin numbers higher up the alphabet.

Jack was always going to republish what he had written and the additional numbers ARE his unpublished additions. HOWEVER, and Griffin numbers that say DP#1, #2, #3, etc are NOT what is in Charlton guides as DP#1's, 2's, 3's 4's, etc .. they were Jack's feeling that some deserved it's own number. Charlton owns the copyright to all the DP#'s. When Mono1 was published, the descriptions include Jack's numbering system, (1, 2, 3, etc) which ARE NOT the Charlton 1, 2, 3, etc. The current numbering system for 1859 DP Charton designation after the DP#2 was arrived at by a group of us avid collectors/researchers who used the new number to designate and differentiate the direction of the overpunch (R,L,Hi, Lo).

Good luck with your Ed and Geo work .. I have a few thousand gathering dust.