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Etymology Of Word 'Cash'

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I'm trying to understand the history of word 'cash', but it's really getting confusing.
On one hand we have theory that it is of Persian origin (later incorporated in latin, and from there on into french and English). On the other hand it's said that 'cash' comes from Tamil (India).
Sources are also confusing about who influenced who. India Perisia or the other way around.
Also how does the chineese cash coinage fits into the whole picture?
The more I'm reading about this, the more confused I get.
Can anyone shed a bit of light onto the subject?
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 Posted 07/25/2016  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is what Wikipedia has to say on the subject.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash
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Yes, I have read this as well as sources. Online etymology dictionary on the other hand says that it is not related to 'kas' (India).
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Part of the confusion is derived, I think, from two entirely separate uses of the word "cash" as relating to money.

The simplest to unravel is "Cash" in the sense of traditional Chinese coins: round, cast, with the square hole. These are known as "cash" in English, and this does indeed seem to derive from Ceylonese and Southeast-Asian name for a copper coin, since Western traders would have first came into contact with Chinese cash coins via these intermediaries.

The main English use of the word, meaning "money" in the general sense, seems to derive, via the French "caisse" and/or Iberian "caixa", from the Latin word "capsa", meaning a chest or box - as in mediaeval times, a large amount of money had to be carried around in a strongbox sturdy enough to prevent theft and hold the weight of the coins. Any derivation beyond Latin, through Persian and Indian dialects back to the "kas" mentioned as the origin of the first meaning of "cash", seems to me to be overly speculative; as far as I can tell, a Roman "capsa" would have been used to carry anything needing a sturdy box - coins, weapons, spices, silk, documents - not just "money". A Roman box specifically designed to carry money was called a "fiscus", from which we derive English words such as "fiscal".
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I had always assumed it was from Artaxerxes I in his 454 BC single "Get da Ca$h (Tribute Remix)" from the triple-platinum album, "Stackin' Sigloi".
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Sap: Thank you very much for this clear-up! CCF members never cease to amaze me. Thank you!
Finn235: Needed a moment to get it, but then I laughed so hard my coworkers wanted to know what's so funny. I have rather not started explaining :)
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