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1954-D Wheat Cent DDR?

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Wondering if anyone can shed some light on this? I didn't see anything on Wexler's Doubled Dies or on any of the 3rd party grading sites. I find it hard to believe that this would be a first find. And with my track record it's probably Machine Doubling or something lame.

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 Posted 07/25/2016  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dustin6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MD, sorry, the so called doubling is shelf like and reduces the size of the devices. Keep on trying
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It is machine damage after the strike that altered the devices. How do you tell? Note that the devices are showing a reduction of the shape of the normal devices. On a hub doubled example, they are enlarged, not reduced.
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First thing to notice is the dot on the EPU. The normal die examples show rounded dots. On hub doubled examples, they are egg shaped or out of round.
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Note that parts of certain devices are thicker, taller or wider. This may show on some devices and not so on others depending on the way the die was hubbed.
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Note the thickness of the wheat lines on the bottom image. The upper image is a normal die with think wheat lines.
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Sometimes the devices may be thicker/taller/wider. On the wheat stems note the extra thickness on that area on the bottom image. So the best way to spot a DDR on a Wheat cent is this:
1. check the dots first to see if any are egg shaped. (this may affect just one dot and other times both)
2. Note the letters 'E', 'L' bottom loop on 'U' to see if they are thicker. (they can vary according to how the die was hubbed.
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The wider the spread between the hubbings, the wider the devices will be. The wider the spread the more desirable the DDR will be. Less can be considered as common sometimes.
3. Keep in mind that the spread can affect just one area, or all the devices. The more the better.
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Machine Doubling is just an alteration of a normal device and reduced in size:
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Note how the device was reduced from damage after the strike happened.
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Nothing is enlarged. It is reduced from die bounce/hop/sliding after the completed strike, damaging the devices during the recoil of the dies.
Hope this helps?
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Even on the R and B?

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Most of the time if one device is affected with MD, changes are that a lot of them will be affected that way. On your coin, if you think two devices are a doubled die, why didn't the rest of the devices around it show the same hub doubling? It just doesn't usually make two devices hub doubled and the rest normal. (it doe happen, but not on your coin) Note the 'B' is showing reduction of the device from the normal shape. Note on the lower SE edge of the device and then the SW bottom edge of that device? Note how the MD is reducing the right side of the device.

I'm not saying you can't have a dub doubled coin that show also MD. It does happen, but not on your coin. Here is a classic example:
1969S-1DO-001:
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Note the top image. They is what that doubled die looks like. The lower image show the same doubled die, but also showing machine damage on the date and mint mark. Do you see it? It doesn't happen often, and it is not a plus to collectors who collect cent varieties.

Go back to my first area to search. The dots on the EPU.
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Become familiar with the normal shaped ones and the hub doubled ones that are egg shaped. That is the best place to start in your search for doubled dies.

Your coin is just normal, but showing MD on those devices. sorry
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Dang! Back to the grind. Thanks coop!
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Keep looking. You will find something nice, perhaps on the next coin.
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The thrill of the hunt!
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