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I was doing a google search on Focus stacking and this reference popped up. Has any one read it? If so how did you find it?

( I have a copy on order)
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 Posted 07/28/2016  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Have never heard of it, but it looks very worthwhile. Give us a review when you get it. I may order the eBook edition...Ray
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Amazon has it for the Kindle, but I think it would be better on dead trees so you can write on it.
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 Posted 07/29/2016  12:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austrokiwi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For tech books its dead trees over kindle every day.
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I got an email and refund from the seller I had ordered the book from....Seems although they are based in Europe they can't send to Austria. So I got the kindle version, despite preferring print. Well I am glad I got the digital version... I can delete it rather than throw it in the trash.

That last comment is perhaps a little unfair given that I have only skimmed through the book so far.... but there are some very telling omissions. No mention of Diffraction ( I have read the chapters on Stacking intensely) the author simply tells people to find a lens' "Sweet Spot": the point where it produces the sharpest images. There are no instructions on how to find that "sweet spot"

I gained the impression that to really understand what the author was saying you already needed to have much more than a beginners level of experience in Macro Photography. Couple all these points together with the fact the book is oriented to field photography of plants and insects I would suggest coin photographers need not add this book to their library.
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Good info AK, thanks...Ray
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There is so much difference between coin (macro) photography and "insect" or "flower" (macro) photography.
Image stacking in coin photography does not give much. Or nothing. On the other hand, image stacking is necessary for insects, flowers etc.
So, coins photography on one hand and insects and flowers photography etc on the other hand, are totally different things and different photography techniques.
Also image stacking depends on the software someone uses.

In case you want something for coins, "Mark Goodman's - Numismatic Photography" book is the best to my opinion.
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 Posted 07/30/2016  01:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Image stacking is only useful for smaller coins, and for imaging of things like details of varieties or errors.

As magnification increases, depth of field decreases, and effective aperture also decreases. This is a double-edged sword that eventually forces you to focus stack to achieve full-resolution images. I try to target an effective aperture of f10, f12 max, while my sensor DLA is f6.7. I always expect to downsize my images by 2x to achieve full sharpness due to the limitations of Bayer demosaicing algorithms. Thus the f12 max yield approximately f6 when downsized by 2x, and thus is within the DLA of the sensor.

My main collecting interest is Lincoln Cents, which require a magnification of around 0.7:1 on my Canon APS-C camera. This leaves a little room around the coin for cropping or just to make it so the coin doesn't go all the way to the edge of the sensor. At 0.7:1, to get effective aperture of f10, requires me to shoot at f5.6 (feff is f9.5). The depth of field at f5.6 is just barely sufficient that if I am careful, and critically-focus on the middle levels of the coin (I use Lincoln's neck), and the coin is very flat, that I can get the whole coin in acceptable focus with a single shot. Any higher magnification, or higher resolution sensor (like a T6 or 70D) would require focus stacking, even for Cents. Dimes are a little smaller, so the limit is even sooner. A Trime, or Gold Dollar, or similar coin from other countries, will require focus stacking. Note that I am talking about at least a 2x reduction in size here, so if you expect to have good sharpness and depth of field at 100% pixel resolution, you will need to focus stack on Cents, maybe as large as Quarters.
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Image stacking is also useful for larger coins like the 2009 ultra-high relief $20 -- I couldn't get everything in focus and had to do a stack.

Stacking is even more essential for coins like the 2014 Baseball dollar, which is curved and has something like 5mm of relief between the center and edges (lighting is also tough).

I imagine that the ?general relativity? coin (I think from some Pacific island) would also require a rather significant stack. I don't have one of these to try, but getting a good stack with that shiny (detachable) ball bearing might prove difficult.
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With my full frame camera I find I need to stack with even dollar sized coins. Its only with the MFT camera that I find that stacking is unnecessary.
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Ancients are another area where stacking is necessary due to high relief.
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Quote:
Image stacking in coin photography does not give much.


Not always true. As others have posted it's necessary for high relief coins. It's also necessary for very, very shallow relief... I have a split after strike US 3c Silver (14mm coin). So a full sized image is already pushing the edge of the image sensor size.

A tiny bit of the full planchet remains (maybe 1/3 of the rim, perhaps .25mm wide with the rest essentially flat. However, careful examination reveals both fault lines in the metal and a ghost of the design. Neither revealed by any kind of single image no matter how carefully focused. But a deep stack (30 images IIRC at step size of 1 or 2) reveals all - and produces an image I've blown up to poster size.

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 Posted 07/30/2016  2:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rocky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
burton this one has always amazed me. I have recently found a coin. there is four shelves that show 4 strikes. plus slight rotation. they are razor thin. no problem to see them with a microscope. I need to focus stack this coin in-order to show that. this nice thing about the coin. it is reverse and obverse. I think I will be able to show as well. that the reverse die was coming apart. meaning breaking up. I have to wait for a ring adapter from RAF in russia. Burton you have taught me a lot. about focus stacking. thank you very much. as well as others. oh yes focus stacking differently applies to coin photography.
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Back on topic: The Author noted that the Infiniprobe( actually wrote "infinity probe") was an excellent lens albeit expensive.

I had never heard of it... I did a google search found the companies web site and found expensive was an understatement The full TS 160 infiniprobe system( minus objectives costs over US$2000.00 add in the macro objective (1X-4X)plus the necessary compression lens and your almost at $3000.00. At that price they can't even tell you in the manual what the Aperture values are. I found this discussion:

http://www.photomacrography.net/for...=infiniprobe

All my subsequent reading has just strengthened my original impressions
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Yeah, the InfiniProbe stuff is probably decent and convenient to use but image quality may not be good enough to warrant the high cost.

In the last few years building systems for folks, I purchase stands and other equipment on ebay. I often end up with extra stuff in the process. One of the common things to get is the Bausch & Lomb MonoZoom7. This is a system that has interchangeable objectives, with an infinity-corrected 7:1 zoom lens. It is super convenient to use, and gives a pretty decent image, generally better than you get with a StereoZoom but not as good as with a dedicated objective. I think the InifiProbe may be similar to the MZ7 in this regard, though in reality the MZ7 may be even more convenient to use. Difference is the InfiniProbe is fixed focal length, with a wide focus range, so you can get very close to achieve high magnification. This is very similar to a standard microscope system. The MZ7, being infinity-corrected, has a fixed working distance, and a zoom system for increasing magnification. This is great, for instance, for scanning whole coins, then zooming-in to variety details. But when zoomed-in, the quality is good but not great, similar to the InfiniProbe, but instead of costing $4000 you can get whole MZ7 systems for <$500.
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