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Hello all.

I am trying to get help with these coins. They are small coins, cupped, and have some kind of figure on them. I was told that these are some of the first silver coins made. Any help in identifying them would be greatly appreciated. Thanks as always for the help!

Dave


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The pictures aren't very clear but I suggest a Lydian lion coin minted about 600 BC. Are they silver or lead ? Possibly they are electrotype casts made for museum displays.

Weight ? Diameter ?
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If you can take straight on pictures of the coins and provide the size and weight it would help us with the ID.
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@stoogeco, not to pile on, but also if you posted separate pics of them that would also be a big help.
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It's lydian my opinion
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I lean toward Indonesia (Java), perhaps Shailendra Dynasty, circa 9th century AD. Some for comparison:

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I think your on the money with these Bob. They didn't look like ancient Greek coins, and seeing that we haven't gotten better pictures yet. I was leaning towards them being fake. Never occurred to me they might be Indonesia.
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From a couple years ago...


First it appears that these coins are rather scarce, yet when found are ridiculously cheap. So I felt I had to hunt for one that that had all the devices in tact and can be attributed.

Admittedly I have never seen this coin for sale in person and if I have it probably was unrecognizable.I looked up the type in my Robert Wicks and found it to be a fascinating example of independently developed struck coins in the East Archipelago The coin is fine silver struck in Central Java for an unknown reason.It have been an alm or a gift. In the 8th century the Masa was established.Robert Wicks notes that the weight of this issue is extremely regular 2.3 - 2.5 grams. With the 10th century examples being scyphate 13-14 mm and 2.1 - 2.4 grams. The coins are high purity silver. One one side in Early Nagari (MA) for Massa establishing its denomination. On the other side is a bit interesting. It is a Sandalwood flower seen from above. The flower is noted as being extremely irregular, all of these specimens appear to be of 4 general types and with an unknown amount of variations.
These smaller diameter coins seem to be concentrated in an 8-9th century AD strata and concentrated mostly in Java which gives the assumption that this is island of manufacture. Between the two diameter sizes of like wake this coin type has a very long and widespread emission. Examples of this coin are found as far east as Papua New Guinea.The function of this coinage is still unknown and the exchange system is unattested. The dates of these earliest coins are precisely given in accordance with archaeological excavations placing them 778 AD and 782 AD at Kalasan and Kelurak respectively.





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Thanks for checking these out, I knew you would have information about them.
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Thanks for all the help. This Coin Community truly is a great forum. I buy and sell all kinds of collectibles, am a member of all different forums, and this is far and above the best.

I have taken the individual pictures of each one as requested. They indeed weigh 2.4 and 2.5 grams. Any other information would be great. Also, how would you recommend to sell them. Get them graded maybe? Thanks again for all the help.


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This is the second coin front.

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Get them graded maybe?


Hardly worth it, I would think. As Ancientnoob stated, these "are rather scarce, yet when found are ridiculously cheap."

Here's a similar one on ebay for $27: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Silver-Coin...AOSw9uFW9dTO

Coins from the following group apparently go for around $20 on one site I came across:
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Ma-Shops, which tends to be pricier on a lot of coin types, has this similar one listed for $56.06:
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and this one for $33.64:
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You could of course sell through ebay, Agoraauctions, or a dealer. A number of choices. Best wishes.
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Here's another I just saw, that only went for 10 pounds - on one bid - at
http://www.deamoneta.com/auctions/view/379/178

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