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How Do You Store Your Ancients?

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Title pretty much says it all--how do you organize your coins in a way that allows ID info to be kept with the coin, and each coin separated? I am beginning the stages of sorting a jumble of lot finds into an organized collection, and could go for ideas!

At the moment, I am thinking of putting each one in a mylar flip, and each flip into an album page. Probably going to have an album for Roman emperors, hoping to inch my way to a full set in silver by the end of my life. Then probably an album for Greek/Celtic/Middle East, and one for India (which I will probably expand through to modern times) and one for China.

My current method is admittedly shameful. I have a shoebox full of literally hundreds of small baggies, each containing a coin or two, and a piece of paper with handwritten info on area, age, ruler, denomonation, and a transcription of the legend and what is on the coin. Zero organization, and it takes several minutes to dig out a specific coin.
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This question comes up often here is a link to an earlier thread:
https://goccf.com/t/244197&whichpage=1
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My current method is admittedly shameful. I have a shoebox full of literally hundreds of small baggies, each containing a coin or two, and a piece of paper with handwritten info on area, age, ruler, denomonation, and a transcription of the legend and what is on the coin. Zero organization, and it takes several minutes to dig out a specific coin.

No, zero organization is my method, which is almost literally the same except without the pieces of paper.

Actually, adding the pieces of paper sounds like a nice idea. Might actually try it!
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I have a thing for old vintage boxes....this one looks like it would be great for coins or other curiosities even though technically it's a tackle box...bit too pricey though.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-New...AOSwyKxXhFDz
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Take a look at the Coin World Premier Coin Holders, it's a slab with insert, you can get them in lots of sizes. The Avery 8195 labels work nicely with these, I get 4 lines of information on mine. Country & Catalog number, denomination and year, ruler and reign, composition, that's my four lines. That's plenty of room for the basic information you cited, and the translations can go on a second label on the back of the slab, or vice versa. The slabs run a dollar apiece, the labels are about 2 cents each, and you'll need a micrometer to measure the coin diameters to size what inserts you need to order, that's about $30 or less.
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2x2's I like that they can be written on...


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Paper envelopes with stuff written on them. These are then stored in 2x2 boxes.
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another similar thread:

https://goccf.com/t/256359

I also use 2x2s, but then put them in the boxes that used to hold music rolls for player pianos. It is much easier to change the order (mine are organized by date) than with a folder.
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I use 2x2-sized two-pocket flips, rather than 2x2s - ancient coins tend to be too thick and oddly-shaped to fit into a 2x2 properly, and they're a pain to disassemble. But if I buy a coin and it comes in a 2x2, I tend to keep it in the 2x2 it came from the dealer in, until and unless I have a reason to take it out.

The coins, either in 2x2s or flips, then go in a 20-pocket photographic slide album page, in an archival storage binder I use for an album. I avoid using the 2x2-sized coin album pages, as they often seem to be prone to solvent transfer that makes the 2x2 go all sticky on the outside. My ancients are currently in two albums: "everything-but-Roman" (which also includes Roman Provincial) and "Roman" (Republic and Empire to AD 500). There's a third "Mediaeval" album, which has everything from AD 500-1450.
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If it is gold or silver then I will flip it, if it is brown then I use an old coin cabinet which gives easy access and simple organisation ( each tray contains 1 emperor )
There is always the option of buying a small safe to store them in, they are basically a small cabinet with added security.
When weighing up the costs of storage supplies & safes I found there was little difference in costs between the two so bought myself a little safe which my trays fit nicely into.
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All coins in mylar - cardboard 2x2's in non PVC album pages.

Full identification price paid and when on the cardboard.
Invoices to significantly high valued pieces kept under separate cover, for provenance purposes.

A small number of the more highly valued coins are stored in a small safe. Most of them form a living, growing working collection.

More than 300 pieces over 1,000 years old, arranged in chronological order, across all ancient cultures.
A statement on the development on all World coinages of all cultures, is thus produced.
Together, they tell an historical story.

The collection has taken me 45 years to form, so far.

I am a generalist, not a specialist, and so I am still on a steep learning curve, and so my collection continues to teach me about ancient history, in all ancient cultures.
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When I started collecting back in the 70's it was not too much of a problem but as the collection grows it can be challenging. Balance between 'storage' and a convenient way to access and view the coins requires spending some dollars.
My earliest solution was a nice smaller sized tool & die makers tool box. The front opens top down giving a nice table to lay coins on and the small felt bottomed drawers are reasonably safe compartments for storing.
Not perfect but adequate for the purpose. Tool makers cabinets also lock up tight but have the disadvantage of being carried away easily ! Too easily !

Last week I took advantage of a friends offer to visit an elderly woman he knows who has more than a few coin cabinets which had belonged to her late husband.
I was quoted a very reasonable price and walked away with two very nice antique mahogany coin cabinets. They required quite a bit of cleaning and I needed to visit my local locksmith as the keys were currently missing.

For now my problem is solved !

21 rows of trays with twenty spaces in each and a bottom drawer for miscellaneous things. No makers markings which surprises me. From the markings on the lock I am guessing late 19th century. Measures 13" x 13" x 11".
It was an amazing find

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Back in the late 90s my collection started to grow considerably, so I put together a system for storage (not display) yet keeping track of it all in a way that was consistent with my particular needs for access. Then, as now, I was keeping the coins in 2x2 Mylar-D flips in pages kept in binders: easy access and flexibility for re-arrangement. Binders are dedicated to a ruler or a series of rulers, arranged chronologically within a binder and between them.


However the key to the system is a special insert I designed in Microsoft Word (in pages of 10) for use in a 2x2 flip. Its plan for content is influenced by the registration cards we filled out that the University of Chicago - Oriental Institute for the museum pieces in our records. Here are two examples; one blank and the other filled out.


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The center line marks where to fold into a front and back for insertion into the flip. The front is entirely devoted to details of the coin; the reverse to matters of acquisition and provenance, with a bit of room for special notes.

FRONT SIDE: six lines for notes

First line: first box - name of the ruler; next to it, the name/designator of the coin denomination

Second line: locale where the coin was minted/originated; and if a Roman mint the workshop number

Third line: year of issue; next to the RIC reference by volume and number

Fourth line: The size in mm; weight in grams; and the die axis

fifth line: notes on the obverse inscription, image type, and nots on special features.

sixth line: notes for the reverse type, inscription, and disposition of the mint mark and any field marks



BACK SIDE: six lines for notes

First line: The name of the source as individual seller, auction house, online seller.

Second line: date of acquisition, and item number if from an online source or auction. Auction references are noted for sale number (S) and Lot number (L) as eg. S45L344

Third line: Back then I was scanning coins in groups as I acquired them, and I devised a scheme for assigning ID numbers to each coin irrespective of the number of the group it was in. This allows me to correlate material and images without going to the place of storage.

Fourth line: if I need to grade a coin for sale, or acquire it with a registered grade, that is noted here

Fifth line: the left half of the line is for special notes about the coin obverse; the right half contains notes about acquisition price, currency, shipping. I prorate a price/value to each piece in a lot so they are separable. This is a simple note that sets up the cost basis coin by coin and which satisfies the tax man when it comes time to sell.

Sixth line: Special notes and references for features of the coin, especially the reverse for Late Roman Bronze.


I have over 3000 coins in my collection and this system has not failed yet to distinguish one piece from another. However, when coins are added quickly or in large groups, the system can require a slavish dedication to the paperwork. Since I have never found a database that is able to tweak this far I once had hoped to automate it in Microsoft Access. My hopes were/are too grand for my skills.

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