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Ancient Roman Coin For Grading?

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 Posted 08/13/2016  11:45 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Imthealphaomega to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Picked this up from a garage sale along with other ancient coins



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 Posted 08/13/2016  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks suspicious

But I am suspicious by nature ! Portrait does not sit well with me.
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 Posted 08/13/2016  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree this doesn't look right. It might be a Limes denarius but I doubt it. I believe it's a fake.
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Took a $7 gamble on a bunch of coins including this.....no biggie. Tried something out of my comfort zone, will stick to US stuff
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Here is the type on wildwinds:

http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/sear5/s5193.t.html

The portrait doesn't look right, so it is most likely not genuine. How much does it weigh? It is in good condition, so it should be within a few tenths of a gram of what is listed on that page.
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 Posted 08/14/2016  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jskirwin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Tried something out of my comfort zone, will stick to US stuff


That's too bad. There is a lot to learn, and the feeling of holding a coin that is 2000 years old. It's pretty sublime.

You should confirm the coin is fake with an expert in hand before reaching a definitive conclusion.

Also, ancient collectors don't slab the way modern collectors do. We like to touch the coins. Besides, even if genuine that's a $80 coin and not worth the $40 or so cost for sending it to be slabbed.
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I'm inclined to defend this specimen - I think the portrait falls within the range of acceptable renditions, and the reverse would be tough to fake and result in just that sort of appearance. The identifying insert, of course, could be a bit better and specific, but to me it's not an obvious reproduction.

Colligo ergo sum
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I would agree that only an examination in hand can be used to be (reasonably) certain.
The portraits on some of the "Divus" coinage can be a little outside the norm. The flan of the coin has a genuine look to it.

My scepticism can oft times be excessive. But such are the times we live in.
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If you can take the coin out of the plastic and take better pictures it might help. As I said earlier it might be a Limes denarius. Limes denarius were coins struck on the fringes of the empire to pay the troops, they were often crudely made and of far less silver content than the official ones. Better pictures might help to be certain. But I'm leaning more towards this being a fake.
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I'll take it to my coin guy next time I go out his way. If real I'll be happy, like I said I didn't have much invested into this coin and the others I bought. I'm more of an expert on US coinage, since that is what I collect on a daily basis.
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Ithealphaomega:
Don't cop out of ancient coins early with a small finger burn, with this one.
With ANY coin buying ancient or modern American, do your research first.

Borrow a good book on ancient coins from your local municipal or city library first. I had a strong interest in the coins of my country, so that means I had a strong numismatic interest already, just as you have.

Now, I don't much collect coins of my own country, but instead collect ancient and World coins from all centuries.
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That is very good advice from sel. Also check out the sticky section we have here on Books, downloads and website" There is tons of excellent information there that you can download.
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My gut said fake when I saw the obverse, but the reverse makes me think it might be authentic. I would have bought it for $7.
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Eh it was real I sold them all for a slight profit Monday helped me buy myself a nice $1 1853 gold piece for my gold type set.
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Glad to hear it !
I was 50/50 about the coin but seven pesos was a low enough price to take the chance.
I myself had an opposite experience last week. The local coin shop has a board auction where they sell off most of the 'junk' that people come in to sell off. One of the listings read
"Roman Silver Coin ..... COPY"


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My winning bid $3

The coin is real ! Someone had set it in a ring and the edges got scraped when it was removed.
Such a deal .......
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