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I was told it might be a Chinese coin, not sure the year or face value. Need as much info as possible. Thankso for the help.
It's not the coin in the background but instead the oddly shaped object in the foreground

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@crjenkins, just to be clear, are you looking for help with the coin, the sycee, or both?
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spence, I looking for help with the sycee. This is my first time seeing one of these I used the coin for size reference.
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It's at least purporting to be a boat sycee. These are not cheap items, and would warrant a counterfeit in good silver using traditional methods. First step obviously would be to weigh it and see if it comes out to the correct weight (about 37.5 grams) and obviously check if it's magnetic.
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Are you talking about the coin of the other item, I believe they are called Scyee. The scyee is actually a form in ingot, While they were used in trade they were not official government issues but were made by local silversmiths. Their value depended on their weight and fineness. The extreme porosity of that piece leads me to question it's authenticity. I would expect a silversmith to be able to do a better casting than that.

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First step obviously would be to weigh it and see if it comes out to the correct weight (about 37.5 grams) and obviously check if it's magnetic.

I'm not sure if these had a weight standard, they come in many different sizes.
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My understanding is that a sycee would have most commonly been a tael weight of silver in a set fineness, or else a multiple or fractional tael. The Japanese chogin was unregulated in terms of weight, but the sycee carries a stamp indicating that someone (if it's real) validated the purity and weight. A quick Google search showed that a lot of these pieces have the same porosity--they likely were poured into molds that could just barely stand the heat of molten silver.

As I said, the crude and semi-official nature of these makes them VERY easy to fake.
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