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Toned 1891-O Morgan For Grading Please

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 Posted 08/23/2016  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JC Stevens to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Travis, This one I listed as CU-100c-1891O-01,02 & 03.

http://cuds-on-coins.com/morgan-dollar-cuds/


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 Posted 08/23/2016  1:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twodsonegf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
UNC details, and check VAM-12A.
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and check VAM-12A.


Thanks twodsonegf. I did check it out

It does appear to have the clashed "st" on the obverse of VAM-12A as well as the die crack on reverse, but I can't see the clashed "n" beside her neck. The eye lid on obverse and the ribbon and arrow on reverse also match VAM-12.

I take it that rim Cuds are common on 1891-O Morgans then? There is no mention of these for VAM-12A.


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Travis, This one I listed as CU-100c-1891O-01,02 & 03.


Thanks JC.
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I'm at AU details, AT.
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Yes, there are several small rim Cud varieties in the 1891-O series that are too minor for L.V. Allen to list as a new variety or sub-variety. The Cud must extend past the denticles and into the field, even if barely at all as in the case of the 1883-O VAM-1J http://www.vamworld.com/1883-O+VAM-1J

As for the N clash... here is the funny thing: can you see it on the VW page when you look at the plate photo? ;) There seem to be quite a few weak clashed N varieties where you can't even see the N in the plate photo, but was enough for LVA to see and list. That being said, I sent in an 1885-P to LVA probably 3 or so years ago that had an obvious N clash (in fact most photos on the V33A page are mine), but LVA did NOT see the N on it... funny you can see it in the plates. I like to think I discovered the V33A, but in all actuality it was someone else about a month or so after I did ha. It was because LVA could see the N on the second example he had seen that it was listed as 1885-P VAM-33A.

Wow, I am good at ranting sometimes... anyways, your coin shares the same die markers as the VAM-12 and is clashed with letter transfer in the hair vee, so I think it is safe to say you have a VAM-12A since the clashed N was hardly ever there to begin with. I recognize the VAM-12A by that interesting crack pattern on the reverse, namely ATE of STATES and eagle's right (viewer's left) wing area.
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Yes, there are several small rim Cud varieties in the 1891-O series that are too minor for L.V. Allen to list as a new variety or sub-variety.


Though I mention these rim Cuds are common for 1891-O, I forgot to mention they are also very common on many dates, and almost never listed. So many dates have several different varieties with rim Cuds. If I remember correctly, 1887-O and 1888-O have quite a few as well. Just wanted to clarify that it is not just 1891-O that exhibits several of these " Cud" varieties.
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1883-O VAM-1J

I love that raspberry bird!
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1883-O VAM-1J

I love that raspberry bird!


I LOVE that toned one on the bottom of the V1J page ;) I guess the one I have now is crescent toned on the left side of the OBV, so I should be happy, though the toning is not extremely vivid.

The VAM-1J can be hard to find at times. The LDS is sweet because there are nice rim Cuds not only at the date, but upper left and lower right obverse.

I find it humorous that the VAM-1J was listed for that tiny piece of metal between two denticles that just barely extends further out into the field than the denticles themselves when the 1890-O VAM-30A did not get listed similar rim Cuds. 1890-O is another date with many rim Cud varieties. Here are the links to VW pages for comparison:

http://www.vamworld.com/1883-O+VAM-1J
http://www.vamworld.com/1890-O+VAM-30A

Dave, did you know the VAM-1J shares an OBV with one of your most favoritist VAMs?! If only it were the REV it shared ;)
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Just realized I was ranting again... ha!
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