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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Whack!
I would keep it anyway; it may grow on you.
IMO, it shouldn't be THAT much of a loss to really worry you.
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Valued Member
United States
379 Posts |
I really don't see any real concerns, other than the fact that a lot of old coins just get beat up. after 150 years and not under protection of course it is going to be a little banged up, especially if it spent a lot of time in circulation.
really, I don't think it is that bad at all for its age. the only way I think you could have been cheated was if the coin was fake, and I am assuming it is genuine, so I would be happy with it... mike
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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The question to ask yourself is whether the next person you sell it to will buy it with that gouge on the obverse. I'm very particular, and I wouldn't buy it even if it is cheap. Then you just wouldn't buy it. Simple enough. There is someone else that would. There is a huge market for details/damaged coins on ebay. I could probably sell it for $50-60 if I get good-enough photos and have the reverse as the primary image. And maybe I will get a buyer like myself who will glance at the photos and buy the coin without reading the description. And I do not offer returns on details coins. |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I sense a little bit of deception here . Look , either keep it ( no flip ), or return it.  Just Sayin .... |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
968 Posts |
I don't think it was deceptive. People who aren't professional sellers or don't know much about photography think you should shove the camera right up to the item (a coin in this case) to get a close up. I'm sure that's what he did and figured that's the best he could do with his camera. In reality you have to back up the camera as far as necessary to reach the minimum focal distance for that camera, set it to high image quality, then zoom in and crop the image. That will give you a much, much better picture than what this person got. Wait until the coin arrives and then message him requesting a return because you didn't see the big ding on it because of photo quality. If he refuses the return open a case with ebay and chances are extremely high they will side with you even if he claims a no returns policy. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I sense a little bit of deception here . I ALWAYS explicitly describe any damage a coin has, so I don't see how that is deceptive. I also explicitly say that there are no returns because the damage is always clearly evident from my photos. |
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Valued Member
United States
379 Posts |
paypal, at least about a year ago and for some time before that, ALWAYS seemed to side with the seller for some reason, nomatter what is pictured or described. I once found several UNOPENED cartons of cigarettes on the inside of an old fortune teller machine. I listed them on ebay as UNOPENED, and as such that I could not guarantee the conditions of the packs inside themselves, etc. he got the cartons, opened them and complained that there were water spots on the individual packs. I told him that he needed to pay attention to the conditions the seller describes and if he did not like them or decided not to risk it he should have never bid on the cartons. well, he complained to paypal and I had to take the now-opened cartoons back and refund his money. talk about the opposite of justice. in short, I have no faith in paypal, at least for sellers. mike |
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United States
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correction on my last post, first sentence... that paypal always seemed to side with the buyer.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1450 Posts |
Why do you disallow returns on "details" type coins? I also sense some deception here. It seems you are looking for suckers for some of your crummy coins and if they buy them they are the fools. How would you like that policy applied to yourself for other merchandise?
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Ha, I did not see it at first either!!
"The hidden Dent"
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
12057 Posts |
If an item is pictured clearly and described accurately, and the seller's policies are stated up front, and the buyer still has reservations, they should not bid or buy the item. Return fraud is a big deal. If a buyer files a bogus INR (item not received), they are refunded after two days at the seller's expense while the issue is "investigated." If the item was sent with insurance and signature confirmation - and the buyer signed for it - they can still file a SNAD (not as described). They are then required in many cases to return the item, regardless of the seller's policy on returns. However, all ebay checks for is proof of delivery, not proof of contents, so they can switch their purchase out for another coin, a couple of pieces of wood..whatever, and as long as the seller accepts delivery, by ebay's rules, the return has been completed and buyer is fully refunded. There is a gray area for SNAD's, however, as to what constitutes "significantly" not as described, but ebay tends to give the buyer the benefit of the doubt especially if they've never filed on a seller before. It is worth noting here that ebay's policies override seller's listing policies when it comes to SNAD claims, for one. In other words, you can be forced to accept returns even if your listing is clearly written and set up with a zero-return policy. Any seller policies that directly contravene existing ebay policy are unenforceable by the seller in most cases. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse
08/31/2016 11:31 pm
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Valued Member
United States
379 Posts |
so it really does not matter if you take clear pictures, especially that of any defects, and you describe the defects, and that you have a no-return policy, you might as well be writing a letter to Mars for what good it does you. I would also imagine that any of the 20% restocking fees that a seller WANTS to charge on returns is about as worthless to write into the listing as well. I wish there were alternatives to ebay and paypal. Sometimes I see listings with the seller saying they do not accept paypal, but it does not look like you have a choice. I have seen some sellers go around the issue saying they would only accept bank checks and drafts and the item would only be sent after it cleared. of course, if the checks and drafts are found to be bogus, the seller is again bent over. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1450 Posts |
"Restocking Fees" on a coin? Restocking fees are a total ripoff. However, even Walmart has a no return policy on sale of their firearms. It seems to me that there are so many sellers that do have a return policy the one's who don't are swimming against the tide. I have bought raw coins on ebay and not been happy with the result because the photo did not represent the coin as it is without fancy footwork with the camera. So I just buy slabbed coins that have return policy. It is like buying from Pawn Store. You know they are crooks, but you think you can outfox them this one time. You will lose that bet about 99% of the time. |
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Valued Member
United States
379 Posts |
ok, here is another thing to consider. it has been a while since I have sold an item on ebay, but it used to be THAT THE SELLER COULD NOT LIST ANY FEEDBACK ON THE BUYER, so that any potential sellers would not be able to see that the buyer is a p.o.s. scamming phony complainer. is this still the case? can a seller list ANY feedback on the buyer, so that other sellers would be forewarned that the "buyer" is not the most honorable type of person? yet the seller can list any kind of b.s. on the seller, I believe that if it was neutral or negative that the seller could THEN "explain" that the buyer is full of sh*t. in other words, the seller can not list an independent feedback on the seller, like it used to be.... only the buyer can. the only way a seller can respond or let the ebay community know that the "buyer" is a bogus complainer, then, and only then, can the seller put in only a "response" to the negative feedback they may have unjustly received. is it still like this? if so, it is just more proof that ebay and paypal (who both sides with the buyer about 100% of the time, nomatter how airtight of a case the seller has). I see sellers practically BEGGING buyers to contact them before leaving any neutral or negative feedback, because the seller has NO DEFENSE against a dishonest or "buyer's remorse" buyer. Any neutral or negative feedback (even getting a "4" on any of the ratings( regarding shipping, descriptions, etc.) from the buyer is going to screw up the seller. anybody know? of course I am in favor of exposing dishonest sellers, but it seems to be that there are a lost more dishonest buyers. not saying there are any angels on either side. one coin I was interested in, an isle of man henry VII gold coin with a platinum insert), in which the seller said that he would include a PHOTOCOPIED COA, but if that was not ok with the buyer, the seller would include a real COA. I smelled a big rat and through communication with the seller he admitted that the COA he had WAS FROM ANOTHER COIN OF THE SAME KIND! I told him he has got to be kidding, who offers a coa (which are numbered by the way... I know because I already have two of the same coins, the coa's are numbered). his response was who cared, as long as the buyer got a coa! then he called me an "A". I reported him to ebay. the seller is back, but now he is saying that NO coa is available (whether copied or original). I would be still be highly suspicious, because I know these coins came with numbered coa's... my first question would be what happened to the COA? maybe I am just too nick-picky. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I don't think this is deceptive.  http://www.ebay.com/itm/12214320042....m1555.l2649Quote:
Why do you disallow returns on "details" type coins? I also sense some deception here. It seems you are looking for suckers for some of your crummy coins and if they buy them they are the fools. How would you like that policy applied to yourself for other merchandise? Because I don't want to deal with a buyer who says "I didn't look at the pictures closely, nor did I read the description. I'm going to return it because I bought something I didn't want due to my carelessness." I always list them in an auction format to let the public masses determine its value. |
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