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Anyone Recognize This Pattern Among Fakes?

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 Posted 09/07/2016  5:49 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This is a speckled gold sovereign, but I've seen this same black / white metal pattern on U.S. counterfeits recently. I thought of pewter or lead, but am not sure. Does anyone here know exactly what this metal or alloy might be? I've done a density test on some samples that lead me towards pewter but I'm not sure.

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 Posted 09/07/2016  6:05 pm  Show Profile   Check thedollarman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add thedollarman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hi Albert, we have a member here who has an XRF machine which tells you the exact composition. that member is SPP Ottawa, I suppose you could email him and he would test it for you and give you the results.
Feel free to call me Will.
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 Posted 09/22/2016  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry I missed this Albert - the blooms are zinc, they occur when the surface of a cast object cools in air. Zinc has a very low boiling point and solidifies rather rapidly. It is a feature commonly seen on cast counterfeits made in the 1930s.
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Ok, I'll buy that. I get close to 7.13 density on some look-alike pieces.
I asked because it also looks like a different counterfeit that was presented to me as pewter.
But we know it can be up in the air about what metals may have been melted and mixed then formed to resemble a coin.
I see these with a silver wash or plating as well as gold with this telltale speckled look coming through.
Thanks again. Someday I hope to get some help to maybe publish some of the best examples of counterfeit coins I've documented.
They sure can have a variety of interesting measures and photographs.
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 Posted 09/23/2016  12:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The metal is often called "pot metal" because the composition varies so wildly. So while there is no standard formulation or density zinc the primary component is 7.13 in density. It was used for casting of many different types of products in the 20th century because it is readily available, cheap and melts at a low temperature.

It is a perfect material for a forger. Drawbacks include the rapid solidification of the component zinc which can form a bloom on the surface and also the fact that electro-deposition onto the surface often chips away because the surface is not uniform and some of the metals used in the alloy corrode easily under certain conditions.

Pewter and Pot metal can look somewhat alike. That is in part because both alloys may contain many of the same components, just not the primary constituents.

If tin is a constituent of the Pot Metal along with the zinc then the tin itself can form blooms. So confusion is quite possible.

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 Posted 09/26/2016  11:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a picture of that zinc pattern again, but this is a half dollar compared to a genuine silver below.


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