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Hello, Greek Coin Needs Interpretation, Any Clue Please?

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Hello everybody,

I am glad to join the forum and hope that you will be enjoying my posts.

I have within my collection many coins that need interpretation and advice, and thought I would start with the coin attached if you please provide your opinion about it.

Thanks.

Yaz




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Claims to be a very rare tridrachm from Phokis, Delphi. If it were real it would be worth half a million dollars or more.
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Thank you so much Bob for your reply.

I have not been able to know what coin is for ages. I just searched the net and yes it is tridrachm from Phokis, Delphi.

Why you believe it not real Bob please? How one can make sure of the authenticity?

Best, Yaz
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There is only ten examples of this coin known to exist. An no new examples have been found in decades. The chances of this coin being real is zero. Your example is also underweight.
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@yaz, first welcome to CCF. Second, yes this has a really great design, but as @bob and @echizento said, it is almost certainly fake. Not being the correct weight is a dead giveaway.
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Being underweight may have been caused by depreciation, right?

Was there imitation for such coins more than 50 years ago?
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If you search you will come across many replicas of this issue with the exact same lettering.. This clearly indicates that it is a replica.

You could send it to an authentication service if doing so will give you more peace of mind. Perhaps they will tell you that you have a 3/4 million dollar coin on your hands! Go for it. Let us know how it goes.
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Further to my previous reply, I just compared the coin with the ones on the links below:

http://www.icollector.com/Phokis-De...6-g_i9776711

http://archaicwonder.tumblr.com/pos...o-the-oracle

https://www.baldwin.co.uk/media/cms...art%2009.pdf

Note guys how the mold is different and the ones on the links above have no letters struck on them. In other words, if it was an imitation, the imitator would tend to copy the exact match of the existing examples and their weight, right?
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In fact they DO have lettering on them...see the icollector description of the obverse legend. On legit issues the lettering is tiny, barely legible, but it is there.
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@Bob Yes you are right I just noticed the tiny letters. You are also right that it should be sent to an authentication service or presented to an academic specialist to duly publish it. Its worth further research and investigation. I can so feel its old enough from the touch and the energy about it specially that it is inherited and it has been with us for decades.

Do you guys recommend an authentication service recognized internationally for this purpose?

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I have to laugh when someone posts a coin that is so rare that the chances of finding one is a million to one. There is a lot of collectors on this forum that have many year of experience and know what the odds would be to find this type of coin in the condition presented here. A coin this rare if real would come with provenance. Do you have any provenance? as to where and when the coin was found and if it came from a collection. Without that no one would say this is real. If you feel we are wrong send it out for certification. I would be very surprised that it comes back as genuine.
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@echizento Thanks for your participation. How would I have a provenance if the coin has been within so many Greek, Roman, Byzantine, Nabantean etc coins with us from my granddad or even my grand-granddad. How would I know where my granddad got it from!. Do you know what provenances the owners of the published similar coins provided? The coin itself should be the best provenance, shouldn't it?
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@yaz, there are multiple US-based grading services, of varying quality and cost. CCF has a section devoted to them.

I think what @echizento was saying is that counterfeiting is one of the world's oldest professions. You say that you got this coin from your grandfather's collection. Right now, that is the only provenance. If your grandfather kept records as to where he bought this coin, then would add to the provenance. As far as I know, there are no coins that have provenance going back 2000 years, but the point is that your granddad might have unknowingly purchased a fake. Then this sat in his collection for two generations and now it has been with other coins for so long that it now "feels" like it must be genuine. Provenance is the important paperwork that helps us to establish for how long a particular coin has been known. For a $5 crappy coin no one cares, but for a coin worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, any buyer is going to want to know where this thing has been for the past years.

I hope your coin is real, but if you hang out on CCF for a while, you will see that both Bob and Echizento are pretty smart dudes and rarely lead people astray. I recommend you submit your coin to a grading service. If it comes back real, it would be *awesome* and you must post follow-up pictures; however, if it comes back fake, then you have learned a fairly cheap lesson ($25 or so).
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@dspenciner thanks for your participation.

@Bob @spence @echizento Thank you all for your inputs and pointers and I am happy that I joined this forum to talk to experienced people.

You are all right and I do so believe that the coin is authentic and genuine but I need to further investigate on how the coin popped up within our old collection as well as sending it to a grading/authentication service. I will of course update you on the outcome soon :)

As previously advised, I still have coins within the collection that I am unable to make head nor tail thereof and I need your pointers regarding one more coin, so do you recommend guys that I upload the image of the other coin on this post or open a new post for it?




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@Biancasdad thanks.. I will make a separate post in a bit.
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