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Greek Coin (4) For Interpretation And Discussion

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Please see the image for interpretation, inputs and opinion.

@Bob @spence @echizento @Gallienus


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 Posted 09/08/2016  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Athalbert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A very crude fake...
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 Posted 09/08/2016  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaztal to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Athalbert please advise on why you think so?
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@Athalbert let benefit of your knowledge and experience please. Anyone can give a statement such as yours. But please advise why its fake and its a copy of what? provide details and images if possible.
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@Athalbert where are you? One can easily reply to your valuable statement by saying "it's %1000 authontic unique Greek coin" then is no value to your participation accordingly. And, in my turn, I am informing you it's %10000 authintic.
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 Posted 09/08/2016  7:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biancasdad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It purports to be something similar to this: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1179684
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This is supposed to be a silver tetradrachm, from Messana 425-421 BC. It doesn't look silver to me and the weight is way too high. I would agree a fake.
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@Biancasdad thanks for your informative participation and I only find it hard to unbdestand the crude statements that do not make any sense by some members.

I respect disagreements as far as the same is justified.
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@echizento thanks again... 5he metal is undoutedly silver and the weight and diameters are very accurate and precize. Again, why would an imitator to commet such a big mistake regarding weight, diameters or mold!! Hold your horses guys it's not a matter of $$$$ but rather a history and heritage.
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If you take a look at the real example you can see how crudely your coin looks compared to it. If you have a magnet I would like to hear if the coin sticks to it. Also these coins are not molded they are struck from dies. Lastly why would anyone want to fakes these is easy to answer. In your part of the World these are made to sell to unsuspecting tourist as the real thing.
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@echizento I find it hard to understand why you consider a specific example as real and authintic but the other is not? Is it because which coin popped up first? What if my coin was published first?

Moreover, try your best to avoid stereotyping in respet of specific parts of the world! Are your a streotyping regionalist in a way or another? Let me tell that my part of the world is where the civilization came from to all over the world. So revert to history that seems you ate not fully aware of and watch your words from now on.

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metal is undoubtedly silver


@yaz, can you please comment on which test you have performed to determine the silver content? Are you certain that it is silver? I ask because there are some metal alloys that are silver colored, but do not contain actual silver metal (as was used on the genuine coins). While these other alloys might be the same silver color, their density is different from silver. This is why the mass is so important: a fake coin will be the correct color, diameter, and thickness, but physically cannot be the correct mass as the original.
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my part of the world is where the civilization came from


True. We are taught this in our schools.
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 Posted 09/08/2016  8:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PhoenicianX to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm going to have to agree with the others..the details are far too crude to be considered authentic

Unfortunately Echizento has a point, in "our" part of the world, they do tend to sell such coins to unsuspecting tourists as the real thing.. a quick trip to most of the major touristic sites there would confirm such a statement and I've personally experienced it.. He was simply stating a fact and his intent was not too offend
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@spence I took the coin to a lab and they advised thats it is silver. I have hundreds if not thousands of coins within my collection and I never cleaned any of them. However, I should again investigate the nature of the metal and revert soon with precise answer in this respect. Thanks for your valuable input.
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I took the coin to a lab and they advised thats it is silver.


Ok that is good information! Do you know what type of test was performed? Was it X-ray Fluorescence (XRF)? As you might guess, it is important to determine the alloy below the surface as it could be plated with good silver. Also, did the lab look for residual elements as well?
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