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I have an opportunity to pick up a nice set of XF Lincoln cents, 1909-1939, minus the big key dates (svdb, 14-d, 22-P, 31-s).
What % of PCGS pricing would be a fair buy price? I'm using their pricing since it's easy to cut and paste their charts into Excel.
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Tough to say. First I would start looking for similar sets already sold. Try ebay, maybe Heritage, and any other place you can think of. Just off hand, and no professional advice here, I'd try and get them at 50% of any pricing guide.
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Are they raw or slabbed? I'm guessing raw, but obviously it makes a difference. At the very least I would offer as though they are VF unless you are extremely confident in your grading. I'd recommend looking up the semi key dates on ebay (past sales not current ones) to give you a realistic idea of what they sell for. On top of everything else I'd want an extra discount off what I'd normally offer if I was buying each coin individually since you are buying a whole set. The idea being that you are doing him a favor by taking them off his hands all at once saving him the hassle of selling them one by one (with a lot of common dates being nearly unsellable) justifying the discount. Also depends on if this is a friend or someone you know well vs. a stranger. It is worth paying a little more to someone you are friendly with to keep the relationship on good terms as you don't want them feeling taken advantage of down the road (even if you did no such thing). With a stranger you get the best deal you can.
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Just out of curiosity, what do the PCGS-based numbers come up to? Have you seen this set, or is someone telling you that it's EF?
I've seen offers to bid on "higher grade" sets, but when you zoom in on the coins there are a lot of slicks. One man's hard gotten treasure is another man's trash.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Have you personally graded each one and are satisfied with the EF designation? Many MM issues show a big price increase between VF and full EF. Be careful.
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Right, you have to know what you are doing to buy a set like this. The chances that every raw coin is in fact a problem free EF is very slim. The PCGS price guide numbers for graded coins are irrelevant. If someone is suggesting you that there is some kind of per-centage discount from PCGS pricing for this raw set, I would be extremely wary.
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I have seen the raw set in hand. All coins are XF. I own another full set of XF-AU Lincolns, with all keys, and this is another nice set minus the keys.
All coins are original... nothing cleaned. The seller is an acquaintance that buys and sells coins at a flea market. I've known him for years.
My question isn't so much related to the grade, as it's a general question based of % of a price guide. In this case I'm talking about PCGS since I've already downloaded the entire guide to Excel. So you might say 40% or 50% or 60%, etc...
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I would suggest looking at some ebay sale prices for a few semi-key dates 09-s, 11-s, 12-s, 14-s and Denver mint coins in same date range to find a price match on the PCGS Prices webpage. PCGS break out the grades on the page that I am looking (Grades 25-60) at as vf25, vf30, vf35, xf40, xf45, au50 through ms60. If xf40 coins are selling on ebay at a vf25 PCGS price - that would give you a good starting point for an offer. I have been looking for nice xf40 1910-s & 1911-s cents recently on ebay and they all seem fairly overpriced.
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Price the set via the semi keys in XF. Unfortunately, the remainder, are just commons.
Buy price at 70%.
UNLESS, there is some seriously NICE coins, the set is not work more than the semi keys.
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I like the idea of seeing what they've sold for on ebay, and perhaps also on other auction sites. In terms of price guides, the NumisMedia Fair Market Value (FMV) guide seems more accurate to me than the others: http://www.coinprices.org/~ Mark
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I was curious, so I added up the FMV prices for the coins, minus the four keys you mentioned. The total came to: $1352.31 That assumes, just to be clear, that the set consists of 83 coins, including the semi-key dates of 1909-S, 1910-S, 1911-D, 1911-S, 1912-D, 1912-S, 1913-D, 1913-S, 1914-S, 1915-P, 1915-S, 1921-S, 1923-S, 1924-D, 1924-S, and 1926-S, which are all valued at over $25 each, the 1909-S being the most valuable at $162 (one might consider the 1909-S to be a key date). I think $1000 would be a fair offer. He would probably not receive more from a coin shop. ~ Mark P.S. I did double check the calculation, but just in case I'm posting the numbers below. I could not figure out a way to copy the text from the Microsoft calculator, so it's an image. 
Edited by dd27 09/23/2016 01:22 am
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If the FMV retail lists them at ~$1350 then $1,000 is too high an offer IMO. It would be nearly impossible to generate that high a gross sales number listing them individually on ebay. A dealer might offer $350 (half of bid) for the raw set. We need to remember we are still in a down market and these coins are mostly pretty common, raw wheaties not to mention the risk of possible hidden problems with a raw lot. I would consider $700 to be a strong offer with the information we have at hand in this thread.
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Good points BH1964 - thank you. Quote: Price the set via the semi keys in XF. Unfortunately, the remainder, are just commons. And acloco.  The FMV for the semi-keys I listed above, plus 1915-D and 1917-D = $901.60 And 75% of that total = $676.20, so I see where you guys are coming from. 
Edited by dd27 09/23/2016 02:04 am
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I agree with BH1964. He would be crazy to turn down $700. $1000 offer would be an outright gift.
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I passed on an 09 to 1940 set, minus S VDB & 14 D. Semi keys were G/VG. I passed at $110.
Also remember, grading fees. Subtract grading fees from the XF semi key price, then at 70% max, you have your price. At $15 to $35 per slab, the price comes down dramatically.
Don't forget liquidity. How easy is it to sell ANY coin, regardless of grade. (or any item for that matter)
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If you plan to keep these for yourself and give your seller a fair price than have the seller go to a coin shop to see what they will give him. Tell him you will pay him an agreed percentage greater than the coin shop will pay.
This will give both of you an understanding what the market is truly like for circ wheat cents. If you offer 120% of the coin shops best offer I think you will pay a lot closer to $500 than $1000. Even if I am wrong you will be giving more than he could get at the shop and paying less than you would at a shop. so, good for both.
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