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Possible Farran Zerbe 1921 Proof Found In 123 Year Old Safty Deposit Box.

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 Posted 09/18/2016  08:14 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Red Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey there CC peeps, I went to help my wife clear out her grandmother's safety deposit. We got a letter from her grandmother's bank in a small town in east Texas stating "Miss Jena" owed the bank $2,197 for 13 years of non payment on her box. No one knew she had a SDB so we called the bank and informed them she had passed 14 years back. Long story short a 6 hour car ride, a $2,197 cashiers check and we acuired the contents of her box. We found a nice stash of items, and these 1921 Morgans aswell. After 6 hours in the car home researching this coin all I can conclude is its a Fatran Zerbe coin!

Just a few key things making me belive this is a genuine FZ coin we have discovered: It has a smooth beveled edge, the strike looks very week, 17 berries not 16, on reverse a dash between right star and wreath.

I stopped looking after getting car sick and would like someone else's input on this?


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 Posted 09/18/2016  08:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kkirby99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately if that's all that was in the box you would have been better off letting the bank have it. Exceptional photography though!
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First off, the bank may have violated state law. Safe Deposit boxes are deemed unclaimed after FIVE years and the property may be required to be turned over to the comptroller of Texas.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx....tm/PR.73.htm


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Sec. 73.003. PRESERVATION OF INACTIVE ACCOUNT OR SAFE DEPOSIT BOX. (a) A depository shall preserve an account that is inactive and the contents of a safe deposit box that is inactive. The depository may not, at any time, by any procedure, including the imposition of a service charge, transfer or convert to the profits or assets of the depository or otherwise reduce the value of the account or the contents of such a box. For purposes of this subsection, value is determined as of the date the account or safe deposit box becomes inactive.

(b) An account is inactive if for more than one year there has not been a debit or credit to the account because of an act by the depositor or an agent of the depositor, other than the depository, and the depositor has not communicated with the depository. A safe deposit box is inactive if the rental on the box is delinquent.

Sec. 73.101. INACTIVE ACCOUNT OR SAFE DEPOSIT BOX PRESUMED ABANDONED. (a) An account or safe deposit box is presumed abandoned if:

(1) except as provided by Subsection (c), the account or safe deposit box has been inactive for at least five years as determined under Subsection (b);

(2) the location of the depositor of the account or owner of the safe deposit box is unknown to the depository; and

(3) the amount of the account or the contents of the box have not been delivered to the comptroller in accordance with Chapter 74.

(b) For purposes of Subsection (a)(1):

(1) an account becomes inactive beginning on the date of the depositor's last transaction or correspondence concerning the account; and

(2) a safe deposit box becomes inactive beginning on the date a rental was due but not paid.

(c) If the account is a checking or savings account or is a matured certificate of deposit, the account is presumed abandoned if the account has been inactive for at least three years as determined under Subsection (b)(1).


So the box was abandoned 8 years ago.

Specifically on March 1st after the 5th year, the abandoned property must be reported to the Comptroller's office. That database is searchable and you should find the box listed there.

After being reported the comptroller could have asked to have the abandoned property delivered (and sold the contents). If it wasn't requested, it's just abandoned property and the bank could have just sold it off themselves.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx....tm/PR.74.htm


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Sec. 74.301. DELIVERY OF PROPERTY TO COMPTROLLER.
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(c) If the property subject to delivery under Subsection (a) is the contents of a safe deposit box, the comptroller may instruct a holder to deliver the property on a specified date before July 1 of the following year.



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 Posted 09/18/2016  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Red Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Idk the legal aspect, my wife just wanted tokens to remember her geandmother from. If they did break the law my wife is happy they did. There was other coins etc in the box but mainly silver, nothing really note worthy except these. I saw 4 1921 morgans and 1 just looked way too shony, so I looked up proof 1921 to learn they didn't make them this year and it guided me towards my hypothesis. If it is not, what is making this old coin shine this bright? And why would it have so many similar markers?
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What you have are harshly cleaned 1921 Morgans. This is what a Zerbe proof would look like.
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I think the Zerbe proofs were struck at Philadelphia. This is a San Francisco coin. It's just a beat up and cleaned 1921-S Morgan, not worth much more than melt.
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+1 on the fam memories

-2 on these coins... people used to clean 'nasty old' coins with silver polish, baking soda paste, etc. - makes them bright & shiny by destroying the original surface and thus the numismatic value. sorry...
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people used to

And unfortunately, some still do.
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