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Strike Doubling (Machine Double Die) Vs Real Doubling

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Strike Doubling (also referred to as Machine Doubling or Mechanical Doubling) can be a difficult topic, so I thought I would post some cases and let people have some fun with these.

The objective is to guess whether the coin displays real doubling or strike (machine, Mechanical Doubling)

I will post an example every couple of days.

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CASE 1: Canada 1c 1919

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Case 1: I'm guessing MD.
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MD. I have examples of the 1919 that have just a little of the C "doubled" and continue until ALL of the letters are involved, including the date being "doubled". There are all gradients of the offset being visible further and further to the right of the word, as the die got looser and looser. If you look up a little higher, you'll see that the C in Cent has the same "doubling". The one that I have with the date (the 9's) showing "doubling" inside right & top of the loop, is the only one that I have ever seen ... and I posted photos of it 7-8 years ago and had all the variety folks looking for others. Yours appears to have a little offset inside left & top.
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Machine Doubling (easy to spot as there is no split serifs){IMO}.
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Case 2: Canada 1c 1919: Doubled letters

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Again, MD but the die has shifted in a different direction than the first one. The "shadow" image on MD's is from the instant that the die comes up off the planchet and "slides" or rotates or moves a bit and, for a fraction of a second, the dies are not exactly parallel to each other.
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I have 1 1919 simular to the first 1 (minor shifting)


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C-V - do you have Jack Griffin's Monograph #3?

http://www.charltonpress.com/Numism...-88968-311-5

The "rare" one that Bill is talking about, is Gr-483. I have seen Machine Doubling of the first 3-5 letters of CANADA in many directions, but never did find the one offset the most to produce the doubled date.

PS - both examples are Machine Doubling damage. Have a look at Staton's paper on doubling:

http://www.coinbidders.com/Strike%2...0-%20PDF.pdf

Also, Ken Potter wrote an excellent article on Die Deterioration Doubling in the May/June 2015 issue of Errorscope - Ken is a CCF member, you could ask him for a copy.
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Roger...I do have Jack Griffin's Monograph...he gives that one a rarity 8...I haven't seen it either
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Have one of those 1919 Cents just like CV coin is
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Jack never had a rarity rating over 8 .. that was as good as it got for him. I think that a "10" was 1-3 known, 9 a few more, then 8. But Jack's guide was a "date spacing guide", not a true variety guide. He laid out the whole book, in order, by the spacing or the digits in the date, then the font or size ... with everything else just mentioned in passing, such as repunching.
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