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1880-CC Morgan VAM Possibility Need Help

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 Posted 09/30/2016  7:03 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoinCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I am not familiar with the Morgan dollars or the VAM, but from what I have been researching here and on the web I think this may be one of the VAM 3 varieties.

Really need some help with how to identify it and also value.

thank you and please let me know where to go from here and what images you would like for me to post.

EDIT: Okay so I think I now understand part of the VAM - for the VAM 3A the actual variety is the clashed N to the left of the neck. I can't see it on my coin nor I can see it in the example on vamworld.com. So best I can say for sure is the dash under the the 2nd 8 which is just the VAM3 which is no extra premium. It is correct?

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09/30/2016 8:48 pm
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It looks like it could be VAM-3. Having said that I have a hard time seeing the clashed "N" on Morgans as well. Can we get a clear close-up of where the clash is supposed to be for VAM-3A. maybe see if the VAM pros can spot it for ya.

BTW did you check out VAM-7? This one has similar marks in the date that I am seeing in your coin. Just can't see the second 8 well enough to rule it out due to scratches on your slab.

Edit: Oh yea I forgot to say... the world of Morgan dollar VAMS.
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10/01/2016 12:01 am
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Thanks Mont - I appreciate that. I have to say these are a lot more exciting than the quarters that I search.

Here is another die marker for one of the VAMS - the chip at the top of the left Wreath.

Here is an image of the neckline - but I can see absolutely nothing. My scope just isn't strong enough.

I will see what the VAM 7 is about in the meantime - thanks for your help.

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VAM 9... Or 9a if it has the N clash at the back. I don't see it though
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Sorry I just read your op so no N clash means VAM 9
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Thanks Cascade I don't see a clash either (at least not with my equipment) Is the VAM 9 one of the ones that adds value?

What do you think the value is based on VAM 9 and coin condition/grade?

Thanks

I will go and check the die markers on VamWorld
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It's not a value adding VAM the ones that typically add value are "list" vams. It will say top 100, hot 50, hit list 40, WOW, Kipton 12 or Elite 30. Those are the "lists". They are listed by date to the left of the page and says it on the top of the page if it is on one of the lists
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10/01/2016 01:17 am
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Thanks Cascade I appreciate all the good info.

Is this the Clash Possibly? I turned the coin.

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I can't tell from the pictures if there is a die gouge above the Left Arrow Feather. If there is then you could possible have a Top 100 VAM 9. The dash under the 8 is consistent with an 8 over 7 strike. Again I can't see the 7 under the 8 in the images.
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I think you're thinking about VAM 5 with the gouge above the arrow feather which is a top 100.

Op, the N clash on the 9a is way higher than that and there would also be a line coming out of the neck. Check out the 9a page to see where the N clashes
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I guess I can't edit my previous post. I meant to put VAM 5 in the topic.
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Well, my die markers for VAM 9 are not panning out so well.

I do not have any die chips over State OF.

No die chip on the 2nd L in Dollar

No die chip above the star between ONE and UNITED

I do have a possible long Die gouge running out he the O if OF and heading WNW - it is raised on the coin.

Because I don't have these - is mine an earlier die stage?

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Nope, not the VAM 5 - no matching die markers for this one. Thank you though.

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That's VAM 3. I don't know what I was thinking last night. Definatly VAM 3
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Thank you, I sure do wish I could find that n
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Yeah too bad it's not the 3a. What's cool though is the same exact die pairs were used for a 79cc VAM 6 so that means they repunched the date and paired it with its same 79cc reverse. Not value adding cool but to VAM guys it's a cool thing that happened.

I was watching Xmen Apocalypse last night while helping you out and boy was it good for the 18th Xmen movie. I was a little distracted but I still should've seen this a v3 right off the bat even with the sub par pics for VAMming. Sorry about that
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