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2013 5 Cents Possible Strike Through?

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I have been looking at and pondering this coin for about 6 months now. My theory is that it is struck through a rivit or nail. As you all know, I am no expert so here is the coin for some CCF expert input! Sorry for the number of pics but I tried many different lights and angles to show the depth of the strike trough. I think you can see why I say it is struck through a rivit.

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The next pic showing the edge helps understand the 2 effects on on the opposite sides of the coin. The left arrow shows the reverse side where the strike through happened and bent the coin. The right arrow shows the obverse and where it bent back and wasn't struck.


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So please throw your comments and observations out there. I appreciate all of your input. Thanks in advance.
Rob
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 Posted 10/02/2016  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darryldarryl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am seeing PMD.
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I hear ya Darryl...I am still not sure but...on the reverse where the strike through may have happened, the metal has a texture just like a strike through. Kind of organic striations.

And on the obverse where is is smooth and looks unstruck, the devices are not scraped off or flattened in any way.
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PMD - things struck through the hammer (reverse) die just don't get struck through the collar die as well (which creates the rim). Metal would flow up around it, or interfere with the collar creating the rim on that side of the coin.

Remember, every struck coin was made with three dies...
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I took this coin to a local dealer I know and asked his opinion. He said the reverse strike through area looks just like a strike through would. The metal flow. The lack of displaced metal. He also stated that the obverse area does look unstuck as opposed to PMD.

But he agrees that the rim is suspect and agrees with SPP that this typically wouldn't happen due to the collar die. He also noted the scratched area on the rim near the possible strike through as suspect.

His final thought was this coin needed further investigation...
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I would happily examine this one, in hand, with a couple other error experts, if you want...
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Thank you Roger. I will take you up on that offer. I will send you an email later tonight.
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Thanks to SPP for taking a close look at this coin for me. PMD it is! Well that makes it 1 for 2 in the coins I sent SPP to look at (Cindy klassen flaming hand is the other). Once again I appreciate your help Roger.
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Anytime... there were also two other sets of eyes that saw those coins - our interpretations were unanimous.
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Might we know the consensus that SPP has come to in regards to the errors. Thanks!
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Not an error. PMD :)
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