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Ancient coins have no real "price catalog" like most coins produced after 1700 do. Most coins will settle into a pattern, but when branching out into the unknown, always be wary of a bidding war, and know when to fight for that ultra-rare coin, and when to back off.

Case in point:

Won this one for a lowball bid to tag along for combined shipping:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANCIENT-VAL...3183?txnId=0

Probably worth a little more than that, but it's a small (11-12mm) common, billon coin in rough shape.

For these, I put in the same bid. At least two people got bid happy:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANCIENT-VAL...309?nav=LOST

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANCIENT-VAL...742?nav=LOST

Be careful out there!
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No reserve auctions of the same item tend to do that, one person buys the coin cheap and now everyone wants to get in on it which drives the price up.
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That's and excellent group of coins for a supper price.
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Thanks Ron!

Yourself and other members have inspired me to pickup some of these examples
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Quote:
Ancient coins have no real "price catalog" like most coins produced after 1700 do.


@finn235, while I agree with your basic premise and have also seen some wide variations in the prices realized for some of the coins that I collect, I would like to point out that the commonly-available Krause catalogs are also available for worldwide coins of the 1600s and German states coins of the 1500s. Great post--thanks!
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The thing that can really get you is *gradual* fluctuations in price.

Before I focused mainly on Ancient coins from these dealers, I also took a swing at making a set of silver Rupees from the various Indian states, plus the British and Portuguese sets. I thought I did good to snag a VF Hyderabad rupee foe $17, after warching similar coins go for $20-25 week after week. Then the bubble burst and the "going rate" fell to $15 for AU, $10 for anything less. Conversely, I nearly pulled the trigger on a Cooch-Bihar rupee for $40 (NGC lists $250). Have only seen a couple since then, always in the $50+ range.
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I like buying big lots of ancient coins for dirt cheap. They aren't the best quality, but they are fun to look at and try to analyze. Also, the ones in bad shape can be used to teach one's self how to clean coins properly.
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I haven't picked up a great deal of bargains in truth... the main reason for that is the first few auctions I got involved with the prices went sky high (I was bidding on Alex III drachms and everyone seemed to get carried away) I realised I like doing business with Vcoins for coins where there is a fair selection. By ordering into price range you can find the right level to get a decent coin for a fair price, sometimes a coin just jumps our as being better value for money than the rest.

The thing with the auction websites are they make fairly rare items common, by ease of being able to find them... which makes the price low if there isn't much demand. Those items where there is very short supply, or very high demand just seem to go into outer space though.
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NorthSideTy,
How do you know these are genuine and not fakes, or doesn't that matter ?
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At least with the Gadhaiya Paisa and the Western Satraps, the most basic test is that they are silver. I have seen HUNDREDS of different dies used--not aware of any counterfeiting ring that would take the trouble of making 500 dies to strike 2000 coins, especially not in real silver when half of them sell for $5 each.

If a seller has a dozen of exactly the same coin, yeah steer clear.
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Pertinax,

Based on the pictures the seller provided, the coins look OK to me. These types of coins are fairly cheap, so, would they even be worth reproducing/faking?

I'll just make sure they're silver. Worse come to worst I will return them, no big deal! If the coins were more expensive then I would generally ask for more info. and do more research.

Finn, I couldn't agree more!
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