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Why Museums Hate Ancient Coins

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I stumbled upon this article http://www.coinweek.com/opinion/com...cient-coins/ this morning and thought it was worth sharing.

I visited the Capitoline Museum in Rome last week and was disappointed to find its coin collection poorly lit and hidden away in a side room on the top floor. The article explains some reasons why curators don't appreciate our passion.

It also touches upon a hot topic: laws restricting the sales of ancient coins. Check out this article http://www.timesofisrael.com/cops-b...cient-coins/where an antiquities dealer in Israel was busted with 3,000 coins he had found in the ground near his home. Some of these are Judea Capta issues that are on my "want list."

I've heard people say that our coins should be in museums but I'm sure our coins are curated and displayed better than in most museums. And what happened to the busted dealer? He's lost his license, livelihood and likely has gone to prison for discovering coins that would likely have sat in the ground for years. And now where are they? Buried in a government warehouse somewhere, unseen and unappreciated.



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 Posted 10/15/2016  10:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well we know not "all" museums hate ancient coins !
The British Museum collection is probably the largest collection of ancients with over one million pieces in the vault. The Ashmoleon and Harvard collections are also quite extensive.
But coins have always sparked the imaginations of people everywhere. Namely the idea of 'buried treasure' is able to make even the most level headed person lose perspective on the topic. What group of kindergarden children isn't fascinated by a pirate treasure map with X marks the spot !

I notice the dealer in question is charged with possessing tens of thousands of dollars in coins and as the photo shows thousands of coins ! Yet at $5 ea (probably $20 in a tourist economy) that number is meaningless.
I would imagine he had his own personal collection which the authorities no doubt seized also.
Well if you can't find a buried treasure chest just do what the pirates did ! Seize one !

The antiquities market has always existed on the fringes of the 'legitimate' market. People (locals) bring in 'stuff' found while building a new room onto the homestead.
In many urban areas you can't dig a hole without finding 'stuff'. Usually just shards of pottery but occasionally something good.
People have been doing it for thousands of years and will continue as long as people are digging holes.
And pirates will be seizing treasure chests as long as there are treasures to be seized.
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 Posted 10/15/2016  11:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Even collectors of ancients don't like seeing entombed coins, so I get it.

As for buried treasure, think of it this way:

AethlBob living in Norman England stashes a few silver pennies in a jar under his favorite tree for safe keeping. Do those coins belong to AethlBob, or the Crown?

Now, AethlBob's great^16 grandson Bob digs it up. It didn't belong to the Crown 950 years ago, so why should it now?

To be fair however, somewhere there is a line between "big bad government is interfering with my property rights" and "Next Sutton Hoo found, destroyed by amateur treasure hunter."
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It seems to me if you want to conserve something, make it valuable.

The Brits have some of the best laws I believe. Find a hoard and report it. Archaeologists can examine and document it and where it's found, plus museums get first crack at it. But in the end the finder and the landowner share the proceeds of the sale.

Italy and other Mediterranean areas have made finding antiquities a real pain because the finders/owners aren't compensated. Worse the owner has an incentive NOT to report the discovery because of the additional cost and hassle such a find can make, especially during construction.

How many sites have been bulldozed by owners simply because they were afraid the State was going to come in and take control of their property?
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I actually remember such an event in Greece where a well to do fellow was making "improvements" and some Bronze Age structures were unearthed.
Fearing the state would seize the whole site he ordered the workers to demolish everything they found.
Admittedly it was probably only a few pieces of masonry and a foundation but it was lost forever.

Even the pros once did much the same. Henry Schliemann (one year before his death) discovered to his horror that the strata he demolished to reach level 7 (2&3) had been the very ones he had been searching for. Nothing remains but a few sketches and blurry photos.
The poor man had erased 90% of the city Homer made immortal.
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I´m lucky in that I live in a country that has an amazing amount of historical monuments ..ruins etc

I spent most of my summer break this year visiting different archaeological sites in and around Aragon with my family...absolutely amazing..Roman and Iberic sites with frescos,mosaics,coins and so many artefacts..mind blowing.[twister

I live next to the river Ebro which runs basically from the northern coast of Spain in Cantabria to the Med sea... and so being a major transport route and of course used for irrigation the banks are inundated with Roman and Iberic settlements from North to South.
Speaking to the local people here shows me how scared they´re of letting the authorities know that they have stumbled across some kind of ruin on there finca (basically means a sizeable piece of land that the majority of people have ,,growing usually olives and almonds in the countryside near to their town or city.)As this will mean a complete take-over by the archaeologists,until all artefacts are recovered,and taken away to be displayed in museums!
So in general they PAY.. for a JCB or the like to cover over the remains with soil and debris so as not to cause a problem!! Incredible I know but very true.

And so my next major purchase will be a metal detector and my next in depth conversation will be with a local ..

Saludos Paul
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Frankly a lot of museums are totally overwhelmed by the number of items in their collections and may only have the resources to display a small portion of their collections due to gallery constraints, funding limitations, and staffing issues. The historical museum in my city only has 5% of its collections on display at a certain point and time and they are overwhelmed at the number of bequests that they are given or offered. Somebody has to sort through, research, and then label everything that they accept and then decide how to properly store it. One of the local coin dealers in my area offered a museum a significant amount of Confederate currency since they didn't have any in their Civil War displays --- The museum turned the gift down.
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I visited the British Museum Coins and Medals Department some years ago, with a letter of introduction to their safe room.

Saw tray after tray of Roman aureii, of which I was particularly interested at the time.

An experience I will never forget!
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