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NH collector Valued Member United States 127 Posts	Posted 10/28/2016 10:02 am I agree with Bill Jones, it looks like counterfeit from the 1970's. Report this Post to the Staff
thq Pillar of the Community United States 3342 Posts	Posted 10/28/2016 3:03 pm I've been watching this thread for a while. The OP's coin doesn't look like it's been in the ground very long. Here's a real 300 year old ground find: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Fathers.html The lettering also looks soft and there appear to be a lot of casting bubbles. "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire Edited by thq 10/28/2016 3:07 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Tryna Pillar of the Community United States 937 Posts	Posted 10/28/2016 3:25 pm looks like the ones that used to be sold in Olde Sturbridge Village in Sturbridge Mass and Strawberry Banke in Portsmouth NH gift shops. Quote: It has been tested 100% silver. I think it should test at 92.5 not .999. How was it tested? Report this Post to the Staff
thq Pillar of the Community United States 3342 Posts	Posted 10/28/2016 3:36 pm @Tryna interesting point, but I don't know that they were that careful about sterling standards with underweight American colonial coinage. I've seen some SEM/EDAX on 19th century California sterling flatware. None of it made 92.5%, and some of it was as low as 75%. "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire Report this Post to the Staff
lcutler Pillar of the Community United States 1655 Posts	Posted 10/28/2016 6:12 pm Hull and Sanderson, the minters of the Massachusetts coins were renowned silversmiths very experienced with assaying. They maintained or exceeded the sterling standard but certainly not 100% silver. Report this Post to the Staff
Captain Jack Valued Member United States 171 Posts	Posted 10/29/2016 4:28 pm OP, Please send it in for at least authentication. There's no way it can be sold until authenticated. You might have to spend some good money to get it authenticated, but it'll set your heart at ease. See if ICG or ANACS can authenticate it, call them up and specifically ask... and if they can after having the coin, then resubmit it to PCGS or NGC for a full grading. Report this Post to the Staff
nss-52 Moderator United States 54280 Posts	Posted 10/30/2016 08:29 am Quote: there are counterfeits from the era of this coin too... could be a 350 year old counterfeit. Would a contemporary counterfeiter so crudely replicate (nothing like the genuine) a die crack? I don't think so. I will wager a 1964 Benjamin Franklin half dollar struck on a Peace silver dollar planchet that this coin will never be certified as genuine or even as a contemporary counterfeit. Show your financial support of the Coin Community Family (click here) See my topic on Mexican Numismatic Medals (click here) Report this Post to the Staff
BStrauss3 Pillar of the Community United States 4587 Posts	Posted 10/30/2016 11:12 am Sure they would. One to disguise the counterfeit and two because of the amount of work involved in creating the counterfeit die causes them to use it until it crumbled... -----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/ Report this Post to the Staff
nss-52 Moderator United States 54280 Posts	Posted 10/31/2016 08:08 am Quote: Sure they would. One to disguise the counterfeit... But the counterfeit looks nothing like the genuine coin, particularly the "die crack". What good is a "disguise" if it doesn't look like the original? Look again at the first two digits of the date. Show your financial support of the Coin Community Family (click here) See my topic on Mexican Numismatic Medals (click here) Report this Post to the Staff
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