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You Vs ICCS 1936 Nickel

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 Posted 11/07/2016  1:27 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Apitrix to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This one has something special for you to look for dollarman!

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 Posted 11/07/2016  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Check thedollarman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add thedollarman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
oh wow! it's not everyday you see retained die brakes on KG V nickels! thanks for posting!...i like many have difficulty grading these..MS-62?
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 Posted 11/07/2016  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paulsz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm thinking closer to MS64. Nice retained die break!
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 Posted 11/07/2016  2:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Must be the photos doesn't look MS to me.
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 Posted 11/08/2016  08:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aswag to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Love the retained die break. Too much plastic to tell the grade but assuming the fields are clean I say MS64 -- strike could be a little better for me to make MS65. Plus the rim looks bumped at about 5 o'clock on the obverse.
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 Posted 11/08/2016  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To me, the left side of the face and crown seems to show clear wear. Doesn't look MS to me either, unless this is just a poor photo.
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 Posted 11/08/2016  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is it just the picture, or does George have a handlebar moustache?
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 Posted 11/08/2016  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Apitrix to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's the rare biker George!
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 Posted 11/09/2016  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Check thedollarman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add thedollarman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
when will we be getting the results on the latest batch of goodies you posted?
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This one had me laughing

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It probably is an EF.

First picture doesn't show the surfaces that well.

Angle the coin so the coin's surfaces are reflected in the light and I'm sure you'll see many fine hairlines (not cleaning hairlines, but hairlines from wear).

This is the reason why this coin graded ef/AU instead of an MS.
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 Posted 11/10/2016  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Apitrix to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coin is actually very nice in hand, fields are quite clean, but king George is rubbed up a bit.minor chAtter but only on the side with G5
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In that last pic posted of the obverse, fields to me, look quite marked, especially in the upper right hand side.

I don't think ICCS got this one wrong.

Perhaps an au50, but that's about it.

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Oh I agree, it would not make ms, just a very nice looking ef:)
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 Posted 11/16/2016  08:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aswag to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
KG V nickels are extremely hard to grade from pictures. The strikes are often weak, by this I mean that the details are not full even in MS coins. Just because the two pearls left of center on the crown can't be seen can not be taken as a sign of wear. I'd also argue that the reverse side of this coin could be MS based on wear. The die crack on the F clearly put this reverse die as a Late Die Stage (LDS) so the fact that there is not a lot of detail in the leafs is IMO evidence of a "weak strike" rather than wear.

I still have a lot to learn but IMO it often comes down to luster as the key element to grade KGV nickels. The first set of photos we have no idea of the remaining luster. In the second photo of the obverse, we do get an idea of the luster and can see that the luster under the letters is a stronger than the fields. When there is a clear difference between the two a coin is often graded EF/XF. The fact that it looks like this separation of strong vs. weak has just started is probably the reason for the 45 grade.

If I had this coin in hand, I'd look at the lower left shoulder of KG as well as his check to see if there are scratches and worn off luster. If not then we have an AU/MS coin all depending on the amount of luster.

At any rate, I would love have this coin in my collection primarily because of the reverse die crack on the F. Thanks for sharing!
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