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Rest in Peace
United States
17900 Posts |
Go to ANY store, almost without exclusion, and watch to see how transactions are made.
Most with cards. A few with bills. Checkbooks are completely archaic.
If change is tossed down the little pre-counted slide, see if ANYONE counts it.
You will have to be there a long time before you see someone reach in their pocket for change to pay for something, and even longer to see anyone who bothers to count their returned change.
Coinage today is the same as sales tax tokens of the 1930's.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10038 Posts |
I still see change and bills being used. But I am not in a big city either. I am under the impression, right or wrong I don't know since I cannot be everywhere to see, that a lot of rural areas still use money.
I like fleamarkets, garage sales, rummage sales, auctions etc. (good places to find glass insulators!); also farmer's markets, and homegrown produce stands. I also go to a lot of insulator shows (as dealer and buyer). None of these use cards and the cash still flows in these crowds.
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Valued Member
United States
422 Posts |
I think a $ 2.00 coin would be awesome but, I'm thinking people would hoard them and very few would make it into circulation. I know I would put some away.
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Valued Member
United States
411 Posts |
Contactless cards that require no signature or PIN for purchases under $10 should be doable now. The sensible thing would be to reduce coin production to dimes and quarters only starting immediately. It's too late for the $1 and $2 coin, we should be moving onto the next thing.
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Valued Member
Canada
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10038 Posts |
The main problem I see with the contact-less card is that, although the tech has been available for sometime, these types of things are hackable, traceable, and would require (again) the common man who ever wants to sell anything privately to buy a machine to accept payments. The second problem is that I don't want to go back to bartering with chickens and cows for private sales. Oh, Johnny, you want to put up a lemonade stand? Good! here is your pay-all card acceptor so taxes will be automatically deducted from each sale you make. And don't forget to activate the advert-tracker-blocker or we will be flooded with more local grocery store coupons for lemons, powdered drink companies... In the early days of the internet, no one, foresaw situations such as the current one. When logging onto CCF to read this thread, my system blocked Google Analytics, Statcounter, Facebook Connect, Twitter Button, Pinterest, ebay Stats,and VIgLink trackers keeping an eye on my movements. No thanks to this kind of garbage if I decide to sell excess tomatoes from my garden to passersby! Why not just have both options...coins and bills? Variety is the spice of life! Oh, but wait, we do...at least for the dollar coins... plastic and paypal also. Bring on the two dollar coins as a new OPTION (specifically the silver proof and reverse silver proof versions). But limit production b/c they too will be like the Ikes were/are - loved only by collectors.
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Moderator
 United States
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For in person transactions, I find myself paying with my phone more and more. There is only one place where I regularly use cash, and that is because it saves me about two dollars. As for private person-to-person transactions, I just made one yesterday using PayPal. It was not the first time. I am fine with these changes towards cashless commerce (I do not wear a tinfoil hat). While this is not too uncommon with tech-savvy Gen X'rs like me, the millennials have an even greater acceptance rate for doing things electronically. I know this sounds morbid, but it is the truth... as the older generations die off, things will change. I would not be surprised if cash completely disappears during the rise of a post-millennial generation. I would also not be surprised if the cent and dollar bill are still lingering around to see it happen. Although I hope they are gone sooner than that. 
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Valued Member
United States
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Quote: I would not be surprised if cash completely disappears during the rise of a post-millennial generation.
I don't see that happening outside of countries that are deathly afraid of counterfeiting. Britain had a massive counterfeiting scare at the end of WWII that forced them to demonetize all banknotes greater than 5 pounds. They very slowly printed new 10, 20 and 50 pound banknotes. Since they have not announced a schedule to replace the 50 pound banknote with polymer, many people believe that they will not replace that denomination. Even Sweden is headed towards 1% of GDP being circulated in cash. But they have stated that the existence of some cash meets a basic right of citizens. There are so many political and practical ramifications of having absolutely no cash at all. I am in favor of some limits. I really think we should stop printing the new color $100 banknote once we reach a trillion dollars. Instead we just keep printing more and more cash even measured as percentage of GDP. Eventually it will catch up with us.
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Valued Member
United States
424 Posts |
I'm all for the $2 coin. I would like to see the design concepts that the mint would come up with. I would not want to see another president unless it is Teddy Roosevelt (a Teddy2 coin). I think Liberty on the Obverse and an Eagle on the Reverse.
I'm not worried about the weight issue either. I'm married with children and grandchildren so I would not have more than one or two of these coins at a time.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1116 Posts |
I think that a $1 and $2 coin would make sense. However, I remember all the people complaining about the Susan B's. The mint really botched that up but good. Imagine making a dollar coin just a tad bigger than a quarter. A lost of people were paying with the dollar coin thinking they're paying with a quarter. It was poor planning on the mint's part.
Even the current Sacajewa and presidential coins are not being accepted by the general public (and they're a different color that a quarter). The stores don't have a space in their tills for it.
As was said earlier do away with the paper currency and the coins will have to be accepted. Until then this topic is really esoteric and whistling to yourself in a gale. A good idea but going nowhere.
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: I'm not worried about the weight issue either. I'm married with children and grandchildren so I would not have more than one or two of these coins at a time. I like that logic.  Quote: The mint really botched that up but good. Imagine making a dollar coin just a tad bigger than a quarter. A lost of people were paying with the dollar coin thinking they're paying with a quarter. It was poor planning on the mint's part. That was fixed with the golden dollar, which you mention... Quote: Even the current Sacajewa and presidential coins are not being accepted by the general public (and they're a different color that a quarter). As said many times, these only fail because the more familiar one dollar note still exists. If they stop printing the one dollar note, the dollar coins will circulate. This is a fact proven by other countries doing the same. Quote: The stores don't have a space in their tills for it. Kill the cent, there is your spot for the dollar coin. Kill the nickel, there is your spot for the two dollar coin. "The dime is the new cent." 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
927 Posts |
I am in favor of a $2 coin. I think circulating commemorative designs, which could change every year or according to a schedule, would be nice. Please, no more dead presidents on any coins! Of course they would circulate better without the $1 or $2 bills, but we all know where that is going. I would even be ok with a non-circulating commemorative $2 coin.
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Moderator
 United States
188440 Posts |
Quote: I would even be ok with a non-circulating commemorative $2 coin. You know, so would I. They could be fun.
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Pillar of the Community
Russian Federation
5173 Posts |
Russia introduced monometallic 10 ruble coins in 2009, and stopped making new 10 ruble notes around the same time. (Commemorative bimetallic 10 ruble coins had existed since 2000, and occasionally appeared in circulation.) At the time, 10 rubles was worth about 35 cents in American currency (give or take a few).
In late 2011, it turned out that there was a shortage of 10 ruble coins, so there was an extra order of 10 ruble notes. (I have no idea whether those extra-order notes are in any way distinguishable from regular ones - the Russian serial number system is weird.) Even now, I still get a paper 10 ruble note in my change occasionally (a lot more often than any kind of commemorative). Of course it's only worth about 15 cents today.
OTOH, the 5 ruble note of 1997 had lost the battle to the coin pretty much immediately; the last time I've seen that note in circulation was in 2003 (and by then most people I showed it to were surprised to find out that 5 ruble notes even existed). On my googling I found an article from 2004 about a woman who tried to pay with a 5 ruble note - and was met with an answer that they were demonetized (they weren't, and are technically still legal tender, not that anyone would realistically use them).
EDIT: there was also a series (2011-14) of not-really-circulating 25 ruble commemoratives, and of course there's all sorts of large-ish denominations (still orders of magnitude below metal value) on gold and large silver NCLT.
Edited by january1may 12/07/2016 2:57 pm
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Valued Member
United States
110 Posts |
Food for thought, and only, it's all in my head!:
I bought a postage stamp at the post office via a vending machine. All I had in my wallet was a twenty dollar bill to put in the machine. I was returned nineteen dollars change in dollar coins. Since non of them appeared to be in MS68 condition, and I had to go home and put an extra hole in my belt buckle to get things leveled out......I was really watered-off!
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