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Valued Member
United States
105 Posts |
Hi all.
I hope this is in the right forum. I'm thinking about putting together a silver eagle set but I'm new to coin collecting and have a few questions about grading. I'm looking at several coins that are all graded MS69 or MS70 by NGC, but some have an additional grade as either red striped "First strike" or blue striped "Early Release" . I understand the MS grades. My question is what is the difference between early release, first strike and the regular brown labeled coins. Second, which would be more collectable / valuable. Does it even make a difference when trying to build a set?
Thanks for your help!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hi Dhughesz28 Welcome to the forum !
My opinion on the first strike ,early strike designations is this in a word ! hype.
There is no significant difference in the coins ,the titles are attached to the plastic and have little to no meaning to the coin inside .
The mint has replied to those titles by stating that there is no way to Identify first strike coins .
Here is the statement Issued by the mint concerning these coins
"First Strike"
The United States Mint has received inquiries from consumers regarding use of the term "first strike." The term has appeared in connection with the advertising and grading of 2005 and 2006 silver, gold, and platinum proof and bullion American Eagle Coins, and the new 2006 24-karat proof and bullion American Buffalo Gold Coins. Currently, there is no widely-accepted and standardized numismatic industry definition of "first strike." Coin dealers and grading services may use this term in varying ways. Some base its use on dates appearing on United States Mint product packaging or packing slips, or on the dates of product releases or ceremonial coin strike events. Consumers should carefully review the following information along with each dealer's or grading service's definition of "first strike" when considering a purchase of coins with this designation.
The United States Mint has not designated any 2005 or 2006 American Eagle Coins or 2006 American Buffalo Coins as "first strikes," nor do we track the order in which we mint such coins during their production. The United States Mint held a launch ceremony for the 2006 American Buffalo Gold Coin on June 20, 2006, two days before its release on June 22, at which two proof coins and two uncirculated coins were ceremonially struck. However, those coins were not individually identified and were put in regular inventory after the ceremony. The United States Mint did not hold any striking ceremonies for the 2005 or 2006 American Eagle Coins.
The United States Mint strives to produce coins of consistently high quality throughout the course of production. Our strict quality controls assure that coins of this caliber are produced from each die set throughout its useful life. Our manufacturing facilities use a die set as long as the quality of resulting coins meets United States Mint standards, and then replace the dies, continually changing sets throughout the production process. For bullion American Eagle and American Buffalo Coins, the United States Mint makes an average of about 6,000 coins from one die set. For proof versions of the 2006 American Buffalo Coins, the yield is an average of about 1,500 coins per die set. For proof versions of the American Eagle Coins, the yield is an average of about 300-500 coins per die set. This means that coins may be minted from new die sets at any point and at multiple times while production of a coin is ongoing, not just the first day or at the beginning of production. To put this in context, in 2005 the United States Mint produced approximately 356,500 one-ounce gold, 8,891,000 silver, and 6,300 one-ounce platinum American Eagle Bullion Coins.
American Eagle and American Buffalo Coins are not individually numbered and the United States Mint does not keep track of the order or date of minting of individual bullion or proof coins. The United States Mint begins production several weeks before these coins are scheduled to be released. By the release dates for 2005 and 2006 bullion coins, the United States Mint had already minted approximately 50% of the projected sales numbers for these coins. Any dates on shipping boxes containing uncirculated bullion coins sent to Authorized Purchasers are strictly for quality control and accounting purposes at the United States Mint at West Point. The date on the box represents the date that the box was packed, verified as 500 ounces and sealed, and the date of packaging does not necessarily correlate with the date of manufacture. The date on shipping labels and packing slips for proof coins, which are sent directly to United States Mint customers from our fulfillment center, is the date the item was packed and shipped by the fulfillment center. The other numbers on the shipping label and packing slip are used to track the order and for quality control.
Metalman
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Valued Member
United States
330 Posts |
Dave, Welcome to the family. As far as First Strike or Early Releases I stay away. There has been quite a bit of controversy in recent years with the First Strike designation and the proper meaning of the term. I believe there was even a suit filed in Florida against one of the major TPG's. There are very few cases where a coin can be attributed as being one of the first coins to be struck with a new pair of dies. The grading companies decided to start slabbing everything that came in shortly after a release as a First Strike. Soon after the issues started to arise some of them dropped the First Strike and adopted an Early Releases designation. I avoid both of them. When all of these manufactured rarities are not chic any longer I want the coins that choose to buy in slabs to be in the good old normal holders. This is just my opinion, YMMV. Jim
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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 Ignore anything that is labeled "First Strike", "First Strikes", or "Early Releases" as it is all a marketing gimmick and does not give the coin any added value. Read here http://www.usmint.gov/consumer/inde...ion=HotItems to see what the US Mint says about them. Also, some of the grading services were sued in regards to using those misleading terms as well. If you purchase any of them, make sure you do not pay any extra over a regular slab. If you just want to complete a nice set of SAEs, I would not worry about MS70s as the premium for them over a 69 is steep and the vast majority of people cannot see any difference between them in hand.
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Valued Member
 United States
105 Posts |
Thanks guys, exactly the info I was looking for!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
AAHHHHHH yes a first strike coin. I want one. It would have to have stamped on it by the Mint that it was the first stike though. Imagine how that would look. 1st strikeacross the front. The thing about a first strike is even if it was a first strike, there could only be one first strike coin. Then the next would have to be a second strike coin. The worst part of this is if the Mint produced trillions of those coins, even the first stike would not be worth to much. Therefore I suggest we attempt to watch for the LAST STRIKE COIN. 
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Valued Member
United States
330 Posts |
Now that is an intriguing concept Carl. Someone get on the horn with NGC and PCGS and see who bites!
Jim
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Valued Member
United States
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LOL, avoid this sham as much as possible. They are not worth anymore than their "regular" counterparts.
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