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Forum Mom
 United States
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This is a coin that Malsha will be getting soon. Any opinions on grade?   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hi Susan
The coin looks like an MS-62 possibly a 63 in the pics!!Only because the strike looks soft ,,
Nice coin !!
Rick
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Forum Mom
 United States
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I see it as a high AU grade (55-58). I think I see slight rub on the cheek and hair ribbon. I'm hoping when Malsha gets it, we can get better pics. These are auction pics.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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When I first looked at the pics, I had in mind High AU,, Based on the curl to the right of the ear, but when you look at the curl above the ear it does not show the same characteristics as the lower ones, I'm hoping its strike rather than wear,
But you may very well be right !!!
Now how do I get Malsha to send this coin to me ?
Rick
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Forum Mom
United States
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Malsha doesn't have it yet. I'm betting that there's more luster on the coin than in the pics. If this is so, this would definitely be a slider in my opinion.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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With these coin grading threads, I like to test myself by giving the coin a grade before reading the responses from others. My first guess was a mid-range (MS-64 to -66) Mint State based on the images and the presumption the pics had not been Photoshopped. After reading everyone's responses, I'm not so sure with the central question around whether it has been circulated or not. To my eyes, I just could not imagine any signs of wear at all on the obverse high points (esp. LIBERTY and the feather tips) although I'll go along with a weak strike. Since I don't collect IH cents (and maybe it's just as well given my IH grading abilities), I'll wait until the official results come through when Malsha gets the coin. Meantime, I'll stick with Morgans.  Also, it just reinforces my not-so-humble opinion that it is almost impossible to accurately grade a coin from photos, but that never stops me from trying! Fred |
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Forum Mom
United States
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It doesn't help that I'm pretty sure these images are scans. Scans always flatten the image and it's difficult to grade without the luster visible. For some reason, I feel that there is luster to this coin. Just a gut feeling. Can't wait until Malsha gets it and can fill us in more on the appearance.
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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Since it looks like gold I graded it MS 64 Then I consulted my friend and he says there might be a nice surprise up to MS 66  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I checked with the seller about the picture and he said they're photographed pictures. I'll include my picture when I receive it. Does anyone think this coin is dipped?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hi Shatsi
I dont see anything that makes me think the coin has been dipped at least recently,,Copper does not dip well and usually will turn out an un natural color, the pics show a coin that is to the red side of RB to me,,
The only reason I didnt put a higher grade on it is due to what I see as a weakness in the strike, if the curls to the right of the ribbon and the ear were a little stronger and the ribbon at the bottom of the reverse details was a little sharper the coin would go to a 66 possibly one higher but to me that is getting beyond my feeble grading skills.
Its a very pretty coin ,, and in hand I'm sure the luster and detail maybe better than a pic can illustrate.
Rick
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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My american retired coinseller friend send me following Photograde lists the highest points on this coin as "above the ear" (presumably they're referring to that lock of hair that covers the top of the ear - that's common of a lot of US coins) and the "lowest curl of hair". I can see just enough slide in those areas that they appear to have been affected but not worn at all. I don't see any slide on the cheek. The tips of the feathers look like they might have gotten a bit of slide but according to the book they're lower than the points I mentioned above. . The book says the highest points on the reverse are the "highest points of leaves and ribbon bow". Further, the book says not to use the "diamond designs on the ribbon" because they were commonly poorly struck and that's apparently what was affected. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The Diamonds on the ribbon are of an Incuse design and can show well below XF grade (similar to the liberty on the Morgan dollars) This is the reason they are not used for Mint State grading of the indian head,, The high points that were mentioned by ageka are correct with the addition of the curl to the right of the ear. The slightly flat appearance to the right of the ear and the lowest curl to the right of the ribbon ,with no wear evident on the curl above the ear, determined my reasoning of a strike anomoly and not wear. Rick |
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Valued Member
United States
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Taking into account my inexperience in general and my lesser inexperience with copper, I don't see any wear. It seemed a weak strike to me, especially the ear curl and the apparant mushiness of the wreath. If it's a better strike, I think it could go to MS65 or even higher. If it's a dull strike, I still think it's a very attractive coin and, if graded as a 64, it would probably fetch a star from NGC, if they had graded it. Put it this way: I wouldn't turn it away for eating cracker (ancient chinese proverb via the Marx Brothers).
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Valued Member
United States
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I'm with Morgan Fred on this one in that it's just impossible for me to grade accurately this higher grade of coin from a photo or scan. But, it is fun! My guess is always anywhere from AU 58 to MS 64 or higher! I have enough trouble with those grades with the coin right in my hand! I suppose if a person has seen enough scans and photos though, you begin to get better at it.
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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Well me and my friend have goldgrading from 300 dpi scan down to an art Grading from foto's is a lot more difficult because slight cleaning can be glared out and slight wear can be lighted out etc When a coin is offered on foto I allways ask for a scan and if refuses I nearly never bid  |
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Forum Mom
United States
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If the pictures supplied are not scans, I have to say that it takes the coin out of the BU category as the luster simply is not present to warrant it. I am looking forward to Shatsi's opinion when she receives it. So many things look better on the coin than in a pic.
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