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1903-O Morgan

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 Posted 12/01/2005  8:57 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Becky to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This one is in an ANACS slab. She wasn't this toned when I bought her, just light gold around the rims.

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 Posted 12/01/2005  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Love the obverse die cracks!

Before I can give a grade opinion, I have some questions:

What is with the area above the eye?
It appears that there is a fair amount of chatter on the cheek and in the left obverse field. Is this on the coin or a result of the holder?

Definitely very nice strike for a New Orleans.
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 Posted 12/01/2005  10:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Becky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had a really tough time trying to capture this coin. Over her eye looks like a slide mark. There is a quite a bit of chatter on the obverse, but it isn't noticable in hand like it is in the pic. Here's a better shot of the area above the eye...

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Wish I could see it in-hand, but here is my best assessment from the pics. I think it's a strong MS63 (even with the chatter). The strike is exceptional for an O and I think that carries a little more weight than the chatter. I'm still a little unclear with the area above the eye, but it is not as pronounced on your second set of pics. Very interesting looking, though.

If the marks that I'm seeing in the pics are not as pronounced on the coin and the chatter is very shallow (only light surface), it may go to MS64 (again because of the sharp strike), but I'd grade it 63.
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Becky, bag marks considered and given that scans and photos are all too likely to enhance marks and reduce luster, I'd estimate MS-61 or -62 based on the images. But, it may look a lot different in hand and could conceivably go MS-63 or even -64, even though it's a weak strike. I like the toning, but some people might lower the grade because of it. In terms of value, there isn't a lot of difference between AU-50 and MS-64.

The continued toning after encapsulation is interesting. I might presume it had been stored in an album with high sulfer cardboard and that the residue continues to tone it.

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 Posted 12/02/2005  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's 63 in an Anacs slab, and 64 in anyone else's. Or not. :)
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 Posted 12/04/2005  10:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Becky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ANACS gave her a MS62. I'm with the 63/64 grade too, I think they were a little tough on her. Like most MS Morgans, the reverse is nicer than the obverse.

Thanks for the replies

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 Posted 12/04/2005  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Boy, those ANACS guys are tough. :)
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PCGS and apparently ANACS (I can't speak from experience on ICG and NGC) have really tightened their standards on Morgans over the past year or two. Coins which I have submitted to PCGS that I was certain were going to grade at one level, based on comparison with other PCGS-slabbed Morgans in my collection came back at a lower grade (usually one grade lower). I've found this true in both MS and circulated coins. I suppose it may be argued (and justifiably so) that Morgans graded earlier tended to be over-graded and that they are just returning to more conservative standards. Forget crossovers; there ain't no way a Morgan from one TPG will crossover at a higher grade at PCGS and it's quite likely to come back at a lower grade. I have no problem with these tighter standards, but the Morgans caught in the transition are taking a licking in the market. I have long since readjusted my thinking on potential purchases to reduce my initial grading impressions by at least one grade so I don't overpay.

I mentioned 1879-CC Morgans in another thread as good examples of these tighter standards. I'm shopping for several raw lower circulated coins: I want a couple 79-CC Morgans which will grade F-12 to VF-20 at PCGS. While there are many 79-CCs in lower circulated grades on ebay, most are in what I am certain PCGS would grade Poor, Good, or Very Good only, albeit their sellers are calling them everything from Fine to even Extra Fine. Further, many or most coins or their auctions have problems (cleaned, damaged, poor seller feedback, poor images, etc.) although they are still selling at more (sometimes far more) than "market value". What few are already in PCGS slabs are selling for premiums, e.g., VF prices for F grades.

This is my long-winded way of saying that the TPGs are tightening the screws on Morgan dollars.

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 Posted 12/04/2005  11:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Per Bowers, the 1903-O Morgans tended to be fairly well struck as compared with other New Orleans strikes. This is the reason I labelled this one to be a relatively weak strike for the date judging by the breast feathers. I fully admit this is a subjective viewpoint and taken from an image, something none of us really like to do, but don't have any practical means for looking at it in hand. Unless Becky would like to send it to me here in Arizona for analysis and safekeeping due to AZ's coin-friendly low humidity...
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