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1864 Two Cent Piece (Picked Up For $26)

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XF40...do not use overhead lighting it washes out the coin making it difficult to grade. also crop the pictures so that they are larger in the future. use the image optimizer on this site to do that. nice coin...nice price
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VF35 to me, love that die crack, that makes up for any value lost in my grading, maybe even adds value!
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What do you guys think? Looks like someone rubbed this coin with oil at some time to remove dirt.
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Wow, nice pictures. I think it is AU50 details cleaned. Nice strong strike from a cracked obverse die that apparently wasn't late state or very worn. Fantastic detail in leaves and other devices. There is some rim damage. Better than the original pictures. XF45 net of issues that marginally detract from the coin. A very attractive coin and strike.
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Solid XF-40 piece.
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I think it is AU50 details cleaned.


What are you seeing that makes you think this coin is cleaned? I don't see any signs of cleaning.


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There is some rim damage.


There are a couple small hits on the obverse, but if you are talking about the reverse at all, those are rim Cuds, not damage. The dies from this era often crumbled at the edges, making rim Cuds quite common.
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There is crud encrusted along all the lettering and crevices in the devices. The fields are sparkling clean. Telltale sign that it has been cleaned.
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Not really. That is just an accumulation of finger oils and grime. Such deposits get trapped by the protected areas of the design. You see it all the time with large cents and many small cents. A simple acetone rinse would bet rid of it.

Imagine if you have a coin, and you wiped a bunch of dirt onto it, thumbing it into the small crevaces. The result would be very similar to what you see here. However, the dirt would wash right off, though the OP coin would need a chemical (acetone) to loosen the hardened finger oils.
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much better job on the pics. I had this at XF40 and this coin has way too much detail for that grade. the details in the highest points of the leaves and motto are at least XF45 and I think could go as high as AU50
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Agree. That gunk will probably come out easily.
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