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1995 LMC Do You Think This Is A Rim Cud Or A Rim Fin Folded Over Or What?

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Might be separation of the very thin plating.
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Cant tell for sure how long it is? If it is long, then it maybe a flattened fin. If it is short it might be a collar break. Just can't tell from the images. (arrows might help us a bit more)
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Sorry about the perspective (and also the lint)!


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That looks more like a collar issue. A piece chipped away from that area, leaving a raised area. From the first set of images it looks like the die may have been tilted a bit then moved into correct alignment, leaving the line above 'WE TRUST' area.
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That looks more like a collar issue. A piece chipped away from that area, leaving a raised area.


Thanks, Coop - do you mean
a piece chipped away from the collar?
or a piece chipped away from the rim gutter?
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I thinking a rim Cud. But that is an interesting question. But if it is a rim gutter issue, it would probably be on the inside of the rim. It if is a collar issue, it would show on the outside of the rim. But that is just a new thought, I may wrong, I just haven't given it a lot of thought yet.
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Pete, if the height raises above the normal design rim, then potential rim Cud.

I would think a collar Cud would be more edge oriented or using orientation of current images extend outward away from the face of the design rim.

I'm kind of questioning the height, because even with the arrows, I can't make it out in the full obverse image. So I'm concluding mostly from the close up image at this time. Thanks, Doug.
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Thanks for your help, Coop and Doug!

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Rim Cud. A collar Cud would mean a piee broke off the collar and the planchet would flow into that increasing the DIAMETER of the coin. That is obviously not the case here.

The at the edge of the die you have the field, then a small "step", and then it drops off forming the neck of the die. That little "step" or shoulder is what creates the rim on the coin. If the edge of the die chips off and the chip is large enough to take part of the field, the step, and part of the die neck, You have a Cud (sometimes called a design Cud especially if it is large enough to reach the devices or inscriptions.) If the chip is small and just has part of the field but doesn't encompass the "step" you swill have a normal rim with a small Cud inside it. If the chip does NOT include the field but just all or part of the "step" and the die neck you have a rim Cud which sows as a raised lup on the top surface of the rim.
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Thank you Conder101 - what a fine, detailed, explanation. It is greatly appreciated!
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