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Help In Identifying Counterfeit 50 Cents 1824

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 Posted 12/12/2016  12:10 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Serj56Rus to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Welcome colleagues. My name is Sergey. I am from Russia. (Language I almost do not know. I communicate through an interpreter.) I'm sorry if things did wrong.
Please help me understand the coin.
I got into the hands of a coin of 50 cents in 1824. I do not collect coins from other countries. Still, it showed in Russian forum. This coin magnetic properties. That is, it is a fake. Experts have suggested that it is a fake that time, rather than modern. It does not look like a fake Chinese.
The obverse and reverse of the coin

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milling and coins

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 Posted 12/12/2016  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Captain Jack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So, you're saying it's magnetic? If it's magnetic, then it's fake.
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 Posted 12/12/2016  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dual-brain to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I cannot speak to authenticity; however I have recently posted pictures of my 1824 50 cent piece if you want to take a look:
http://goccf.com/t/275466
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 Posted 12/12/2016  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Serj56Rus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for answers.
The fact that the coin is 100% fake.
It is believed that it was covered with silver. China does not. Main question.
It is a modern fake? Or a fake old? The same time when coins were used? And the herd in China, too, could not do.
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Welcome to the CCF, Serj ....

Having owned a number of "contemporary counterfeit" Bust Half Dollars, myself, I doubt that your piece was made back then. To my eye, your piece has the look of a modern-made counterfeit. Unlike your piece, most of the early counterfeits I've seen were of a more crude or primitive design and were often unevenly struck.

Perhaps, yours is of Bulgarian origin or other than China? I have seen counterfeit, "early" U.S. tokens that are coming from eastern Europe this past year. As more examples of yor piece surface, these will be better understood. You were wise to test it with a magnet. Best wishes with your collecting pursuits.
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12/12/2016 2:22 pm
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I believe it's a modern Chinese counterfeit, identical to this one:

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 Posted 12/12/2016  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Debrajc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
and welcome Serj.

How did you come by this coin?
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The toning is "applied". Not a contemporary counterfeit.
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turingmach's pics do not line up with those in the original listing - for simple confirmation, note the relationship between the apex of the digit "4" and the hair curl directly above.
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 Posted 12/12/2016  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add turingmach to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coinfrog, if it's not identical, it's awful close:

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No. they are identical. The OP coin was a little more distressed to make it look more genuine.
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 Posted 12/13/2016  01:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Serj56Rus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much for your answers. On the Russian forum, I often see fake coins tsarism. But counterfeit US coins have not yet come across.
The coin was in my general heap Russian coins weighing 3 kg, which I do not buy for a long time.

Thank EhoGuy for a good answer. I have one last question. Please see the edge inscriptions on your counterfeit coins. They are identical?

My wife had time to clean up this coin without my knowledge. Here is a picture.


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P.S. Do you have a good forum. It was pretty easy to figure out what to do. Despite the language barrier between us, I am very easy to talk with you. Yet, we all numismatists. It does not matter what country we are.
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Quote:
It does not matter what country we are.


Amen ....
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 Posted 12/14/2016  10:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Serj56Rus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello colleagues! I want to say once again thank you very much for your help. I wish you to increase your coin collection, and is constantly updated with worthy examples! My Russian colleague sends you greetings!
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