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Colombian Coins With Stamped Numbers

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 Posted 12/19/2016  5:20 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add LUCHO70 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I just want to know if somebody has any idea if these Colombian coins ( that are selling in Internet and I am interested to buy them ) were used ( as announced ) as tokens.I will appreciatte and thanks any extra information.Best


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 Posted 12/19/2016  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What proof is offered that these were tokens (and who issued them), rather than someone just taking a number punch to them?
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 Posted 12/20/2016  06:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like just another line of BS from ebay to sell a couple of PMD damaged coins.
These are just coins that someone has taken a letter punch to.
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 Posted 12/20/2016  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
What proof is offered that these were tokens (and who issued them), rather than someone just taking a number punch to them?


There are many exonumia collectors, including some serious authors, who claim that, once a coin is stamped, it becomes a token and is no longer a coin, per se. IMHO, a stamped coin is still a coin and the stamping does not change the fact that it's still legal tender.


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Looks like just another line of BS from ebay to sell a couple of PMD damaged coins. These are just coins that someone has taken a letter punch to.


Note that number punches were used and not letter punches. IMHO, these counterstamped coins likely served as a token issue. I suspect that the numbers were stamped on the obverse so as not to overwrite the denomination. Many world coins were redenominated over the centuries by the application of a counterstamp/countermark. In the case of these low denomination coins, we can see that the number stamps were carefully centered. All this suggests that these pieces served a purpose ... a token-like purpose.

My initial guess is that these pieces were used as picker checks or work tallies. As a picker turned in his baskets, he would be given one of these tally tokens to be redeemed at the end of the day. Another possibility is that these may have been used as tool checks. Without more information, there's no way of knowing. On rare occasions, seemingly nebulous counterstamps like these have been attributed.

While I regard these numbered, maverick pieces as being of negligible value, they still speak to me.



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12/20/2016 8:12 pm
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 Posted 12/21/2016  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LUCHO70 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi everybody :
I agree with ExoGuy.I know the seller ,as I have made some business, related with coins and tokens , with him and always everything was OK.

He is not a BS from ebay .

Thatīs for sure.

He says that possibly they were used many years ago ( the font of the numbers looks to me as an old font) in a small and poor coffee farm in Colombia ( in big coffee farms in Colombia they used to order from the tokens factories very special tokens marked with the name of the farm and other information).

"While I regard these numbered, maverick pieces as being of negligible value, they still speak to me" ..... I feel the same my dear ExoGuy ,and thatīs the reason why I am asking the forum about these pieces.I really wish to buy them.The seller is asking 15 U.S.
for the 2 pieces.

Best
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@LUCHO70 ... Generally speaking, that's a good point about the font. However, there are 19th century punches that illustrate the use of simplistic block letters back then.

IMHO, lacking attribution, history, the subject pieces are worth well under $1 as a curiosity. From my perspective, $15 will buy many a coin/token that offers more historic and fair value in today's market than these do.
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