Contemporary Fake/Counterfeit 1804 1 Reale, Off-Metal Like The Kleeberg Types

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Numismat Pillar of the Community United States 1666 Posts	Posted 12/24/2016 10:43 pm Iphone photos, not so great but the best I can do :) Weighs 2.57 grams. Material uncertain, but lightweight, non-magnetic and no response to magnetic slide alongside silver coins. I'm calling it simply "white metal" for now. Also have a Kleeberg type 2 reales on the way and will post that when it arrives. Report this Post to the Staff

colonialjohn Pillar of the Community United States 1757 Posts	Posted 12/27/2016 1:28 pm These lower denomination Portrait reales are all VERY rare. In terms of increasing rarity from left to right we have: 8R, ,2R 4R and 1/2 & 1R (equally). Most 1/2R & 1R's are UNIQUE IMO. In my new book due out around March 2017 I do the final treatment of the last 50 or so varieties. To date there is about 150 varieties. John Lorenzo Numismatist United States Report this Post to the Staff
Numismat Pillar of the Community United States 1666 Posts	Posted 12/27/2016 10:41 pm Interesting re: the rarity John. This is the first off-metal CC 1R I've ever seen, though I have seen many 2, 4 and 8R (never saw a 1/2R yet). Makes sense I suppose, if they are that hard to come by. Which denominations does your upcoming publication cover? Edited by Numismat 12/27/2016 10:44 pm Report this Post to the Staff
realeswatcher Pillar of the Community United States 1962 Posts	Posted 12/28/2016 7:50 pm This 1804 is probably the CC 1R I've come across the most (EDIT: there is a 1782 Mo mintmark type that I've seen probably a similar amount of)... Per my pic files, this is at least the 6th specimen I've seen. This one is pretty worn (I passed as such), but the goofy strike (O/C, doubled) is interesting - not really present on the others I've seen. Its siblings: Edited by realeswatcher 12/28/2016 9:48 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Numismat Pillar of the Community United States 1666 Posts	Posted 12/29/2016 02:01 am Thanks for the reference examples realeswatcher. It's interesting to see the difference in quality and overall appeal of several examples here. Mine actually doesn't appear to be nearly as worn as it may look from the pictures. That was basically what caught my eye as a crude CC rather than a heavily worn genuine coin. The better struck details really don't show more than moderate wear. Edited by Numismat 12/29/2016 02:03 am Report this Post to the Staff
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Contemporary Counterfeit 1804 1 Reale, Off-Metal Like The Kleeberg Types