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akglen Valued Member United States 170 Posts	Posted 03/25/2008 12:23 pm Here's another one from the same group. I see that there are wide and narrow nines. What's the consensus on this one, wide or narrow 9? And let me tell you....this is one thin penny! Report this Post to the Staff

Stewie New Member Canada 43 Posts	Posted 03/25/2008 1:25 pm My guess is narrow. The hole in the top of the 9 looks rather oval and in the wide variety it looks like it should be more of a circle. Nice coin btw Report this Post to the Staff
akglen Valued Member United States 170 Posts	Posted 03/25/2008 2:41 pm That is what I also think. The only other coin I can compare the 9 to is a 1909 and both look the same. Sure would be good to have a couple of each coin to compare with. :) Report this Post to the Staff
KurtS Pillar of the Community United States 5318 Posts	Posted 03/25/2008 7:52 pm Hmm...that's a toughie for me, especially since Charest lists 6 date varieties. And on yours, there's something going on around the lower loop of the 9 that I'd like to see more detailed pics. Here's Charest's list for 1859: Type 1: Wide 9 over the 8. That is distinguished by the circular shaped of the hole in the hole of the 9. We still can see the 8 between the tail of the nine and the upper part of the 9. Type 2: Wide 9. Just like the Wide 9 over the 8, The inside part of the 9 is an almost perfect circle. The 8 is not visible. Type 3: First type of narrow 9. The inside part of the 9 is oval. The difference between the first type of narrow 9 and the second one, is the inside of the lower part, is square like and different than round for type 4. Type 4: Second type of narrow 9. Just like type 3, the inside upper part is oval, the lower part is round. Type 5: Double strike 9 No.1. We recognize the narrow 9 with the defective die which let some copper blowout at the bottom. Type 6: Double strike 9 No.2. Just like type 5 with the exception that we can see the multiple punch on the 9 with part of other 9 on the left side. The defective die appears on left side of the coin. Report this Post to the Staff
akglen Valued Member United States 170 Posts	Posted 03/25/2008 11:02 pm Kurt, From you description it sounds like the wide 9 was stamped over an 8? If that's not it then I'm totally lost. But here's some different pictures, hopefully the lighting is different enough to bring out the detail needed. Report this Post to the Staff
KurtS Pillar of the Community United States 5318 Posts	Posted 03/25/2008 11:14 pm Glen, thanks for those pics! It looks like I see something, but I'm not sure. Perhaps you'll find this diagram from Charest's book useful (it relates the description of types I posted earlier) Report this Post to the Staff
akglen Valued Member United States 170 Posts	Posted 03/26/2008 12:15 pm Kurt, I appreciate all the details, this is the kind of discussion that really helps me learn. I've been looking at this penny using a 8X Lupe which is the greatest magnification device I have. Using your descriptions and attached diagrams I would say that I have a type 3 penny. The inside part of the 9 is oval which removes both type 1 and 2. The lower part looks more square then round witch drops type 4. The type 6 has the defect appearing on the left side of the 9 which I do not see. As far as it being a type 5, there are some dings to the lower part of the 9 which in the pictures appear to be more pronounced then when looking at the coin itself. I think this is a case where a picture does not truthfully show the same thing as the coin in hand. But it's good that I don't sell or even trade at this time; I'll just hold on to this coin and someday find someone to look at it and get a second opinion. Report this Post to the Staff
SHAFTA9a Bedrock of the Community Canada 10743 Posts	Posted 03/26/2008 1:36 pm Looking over all the diagrams and such, I would also say a type 3 Report this Post to the Staff
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