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1921 Peace Dollar For Grading

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 Posted 12/31/2016  10:30 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jerryc39 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Bought this coin from CCF member BH1964 yesterday. Liked the original look of it. Do you agree with his grade estimate of XF+ ? 1921-Peace-Dollar-For-Grading
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 Posted 12/31/2016  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Imthealphaomega to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes. I see a XF coin. However the scratch behind the hair near the letter Y concerns me.
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The XF details are there, but it is a pretty rough looking coin. There are many examples available at this grade and price range. I think you could have done better for the price.
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12/31/2016 11:02 am
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 Posted 12/31/2016  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sharp details, EF-45 for me.
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 Posted 12/31/2016  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerryc39 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I kind of like the dirty circulated look compared to the dipped look lots of them have. The possible scratch is a concern however. I will ask seller to take a close look at that area before he sends it.
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Yes. I see a XF coin. However the scratch behind the hair near the letter Y concerns me.


That's a die crack, there are a few die cracks on this piece, no scratches of note. The reverse strike on this coin is as strong as they come on 1921 Peace dollars with the obverse strike being pretty good as well.

As far as numismatic_student's comment I suggest he link some better examples that have sold for under $100 recently.
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 Posted 12/31/2016  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerryc39 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thank you for that update Brad.




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 Posted 12/31/2016  11:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would prefer this for $100. But if you are happy that's all that matters.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1921-P-High...047675.l2557
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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 Posted 12/31/2016  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yhbearcats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Solid XF-45. Nice, original looking coin and the reverse has en excellent strike.
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 Posted 12/31/2016  1:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm on board with EF45 and would add it's a beautiful circulation cameo look.
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 Posted 12/31/2016  2:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looking around I see dozens of 1921 Peace dollars in straight PCGS XF45 holders sold in the last two years for $100 or less. That suggests to me that raw, this coin is only worth about $60 raw. For $100 you could hold out for a really premium quality raw coin near AU or better. I would not say this coin is a PQ or A-grade XF example.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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 Posted 12/31/2016  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerryc39 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
you seem to be emotionally involved about this coin numismatic student. The links you provided showed whitish colored coins that seemed to have less detail than the one I bought. I do not agree with your opinion of $60 value for this coin. Lots of worse looking ones sold for more than $100 on the bay IMHO
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 Posted 12/31/2016  2:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I dont think I have done anything but provide my conclusions based on data I have looked at. You are welcome to disagree with my conclusions.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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12/31/2016 2:21 pm
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 Posted 12/31/2016  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dustin6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a really nice XF-45 to me. As numismatic_student has said, he is new to this, and normally newbies like blast white coins that are overdipped or not. I would rather pay $100 for this than ones with the links provided. Id value this at around $120. I think you got a good deal.
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 Posted 12/31/2016  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I understand why you wouldn't want a dipped or cleaned coin. I havent always been able to spot those accurately. But I don't understand the predilection for dirty or dirty-looking coins. I don't think my taste is going to shift to embrace that look.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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