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1939 P Lincoln Wheat Cent - Reverse

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Check out the reverse on this 1939 P Lincoln Wheat cent; the obverse is in relatively good condition but the reverse has fallen/is falling apart. Lamination issues?

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Can we see the obverse?
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Can you post a pic of the obverse too? It might yield a clue.
But I see what looks like the oak leaves from an Indian Head cent so maybe an Indian was glued to the wheat and the wheat got damaged when somebody decided to split them - just a guess.
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Sure thing...coming right up.

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Yep - looks like the obverse shows signs of the reverse damage too.
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Yep, the front has some damage but what is odd is the way the lamination has come off on the back but not on the front.

The front has gouges but is not "flaking" off in layers/sections like the back (to me); I am basing this on looking at the reverse left wheat stalk, notice the circular chunk at the base?

So does impact/gouge to the front cause the coin to come apart in layers and chunks?
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Mark 1959, can you point out the IHC oak leaves please? I cannot see them.

I see varying shapes and layers but can't quite pick them out.

Amazing you can see them in this photo.
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So does impact/gouge to the front cause the coin to come apart in layers and chunks?


No but a screw driver and hammer does!

I'm still leaning to damage as opposed to a lamination problem but somebody else may reply with another idea.
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can you point out the IHC oak leaves please


The area you pointed out at the base of the left wheat stalk - I thought it looked like part of the oak leaf wreath on the reverse of an Indian - maybe not.
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Yep, the oak leaf seems to line up on the stalk, I am so not sure about this either.

Additionally, the lamination is based on these two snippets; note the lamination of the "ONE" actually appears to overlay the "E" in "CENT" and is coming off in a chuck and has stratification layers showing on the right.

The Oak Leaf chunk seems to be separating from the planchet or is a very thin slice from an IHC or some other leaf stuck to the wheat leaf below it (see stalk end).

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This might be a combination of damage and lamination making it hard to figure out which is which.
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Agreed, it is some freaky lab experiment of some kind.
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See a damaged coin, with lamination / delamination abound. The lamination issues are very interesting, but the damage is equally distracting. Thanks, Doug.
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Must agree.
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with those thoughts. If the damage could be determined first it would help figure out what wasn't damage, if anything.

It really is a nasty looking mess.
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its just damage
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