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Are There Variants Of 1662 15 Kreuzer Coins

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in which the value (XV) divides the text like this one does? I can find other coins where the value is in other places, but not one that is exactly like this one. Sorry, I don't have access to Krause for this period.

Thanks for any info.

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@bobisgr8, yep looks like that is the spot for the denomination on many of these Austrian coins. Here is a 6 Kreutzer from the Breslau mint with the same format as yours:



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So, spence, I see that the value, in the case of your coin, a VI, is in the same relative position, i.e., roughly "7 o'clock" as the XV on my coin, but what I was asking, not very clearly admittedly, is the location of the value of the coin relative to the letters of the text....in the case of my coin, between the D and G while yours follows the G. I've seen others where the value is after the R or even the I. Do these variations represent denomination differences, year to year differences, differences in mints, something else or do they have little significance? Thanks for any info that anyone can provide.
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Ok yes sorry that I misunderstood your question. I can't speak specifically to 17th Century Austria, but in my experience, minor differences in the inscriptions are the rule rather than the exception. For example, my 6 Kreutzer from 1675 AD (just two years later than the coin above) has the king's name as LEOPOLDVS rather LEOPOLDUS. Your coin also uses LEOPOLDVS. Also, the denomination splits the R and the I on this other coin rather than the G and the R as my coin above and rather than the D and G as your coin above. It could very well be that your coin is a scarce variant of the more typical inscription, but I'm not aware of anyone collecting these coins by inscription variation.

With all of that said, one of our members (@giedrius) is writing a book on the variations of Lithuanian coins from this same general time period, so maybe something similar exists for Austria.
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Thank you, @Spence.
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Lookup the Herinek book for Habsburg minor varieties. For Talers, Voglhuber and Moser-Tursky.
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Thank you, @Zohar444.
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