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1867 Shield Nickel With Cud And Die Breaks

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I know it's a scan, and you can't judge the surface, but can anyone tell me why this was marked at $20 at my LCS? Has it been harshly cleaned? Surely it wouldn't be marked at $20 if it was fake (do fakes come with Cuds and die breaks?).



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 Posted 01/03/2017  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerryc39 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks like a good buy at that price.
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 Posted 01/03/2017  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RoyCoinBoy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I really can't put my finger on it, but to me, the color looks off.
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Die cracks are almost standard for that issue.
The Mint was having difficulties dealing with the hardness of nickle.

As for the Cud that's a bit more interesting.

Finally, as for being cleaned I can't tell.
Scans don't lend themselves to opinions about that unless the changes are VERY obvious.
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 Posted 01/03/2017  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Arkie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Would being cleaned drop this to a $20 coin?
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Hard to prove it was cleaned as scanned as older scanners don't show the true surface as compared to in hand, BUT I would go with cleaned. And " Cud" seems to be a hit in circulation, not a die chip! If you notice the rim is included in the damage, a " Cud" is a broken piece of the die on the rim area and would not show the actual rim !


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but can anyone tell me why this was marked at $20 at my LCS?


OK - looked it up, with a combination of mintage of almost
29 Million, cleaned, uncertified, and the rim damage - 20$ might be the right price for someone that wanted to fill a hole in their Nickle or Type set album
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I really can't tell much from those scans.

It appears that $20 would be very cheap given the apparent grade.
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Die clashes, Cuds, and cracks were very common on these early nickel coins. Look at some 1865 3 cent nickels and you'll know.
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Very decent price, I especially love the Cud on the reverse.
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I still think thats a Cud the die crack runs right up to it. If it was damage that would be an extremely convient place
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Not bad for the price
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And " Cud" seems to be a hit in circulation, not a die chip! If you notice the rim is included in the damage, a " Cud" is a broken piece of the die on the rim area and would not show the actual rim !

At first I too thought it was a rim/edge hit.
But then I noticed that it seems to be integrated with the die crack that runs above the "UN".
That puts me on the fence about it being a Cud.
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It appears to be EF/AU and genuine. And yes, we cannot tell anything about the surface from the scans. You have it in hand. Is it cleaned?
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I assumed it was cleaned when I bought it, but I am no expert on cleaning. The color seems normal.
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Looks like a great buy to me.
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