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I Bought My First Colonial Coin, But What Is It?

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Hey Coin Community. Longtime lurker here, but It's been a long time since I tried to login on this forum and I forgot my old account's username I went to a coin shop today and was digging though the $1 mix box when I found this beauty.


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The dealer said I had a good eye for finding this piece, he said it was a 1771 colonial piece.

I'm new to colonials and I am having trouble finding anything about it. I'd love any information on it. THANK YOU!
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I am not sure what this is But I have one that looks the same and I can read the date on mine 1792.
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I think it is European.
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@ Trout1105 Thank you for your comment, it helped me realize that I have either a 12 deniers or 2 sols coin from France! SWEET
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Judging by the base of the person's portrait, the squiggly-ness of the ribbon at the bottom of the pole-thing on the reverse, and that the pole's hat does not break through the lettering, it should be a 12 deniers coin.
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01/02/2017 11:42 pm
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Hi Zorex,


This looks like a French 12-denier coin (1 Sol) of King Louis XVI, minted just after the Revolution but before the monarchy was abolished. They were minted only in 1791, 1792 and 1793 and the date would have been on the reverse under (and slightly to the left of) the central motif, which is a bundle of rods and axes (fasces) rather like those on the Mercury dime. Your coin appears to have a D under the bust, which is a mintmark for Lyon. Here is a photo of my 1792 specimen, which has a T mintmark (for Nantes):

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The price you paid seems fair - these are typical 'junk box' coins in the UK and France, and are commonly found in this sort of condition, as they circulated up to the 1850s as 5-centime pieces.
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01/03/2017 06:44 am
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My coin is a little bit different, It has the date 1792 on the obverse under the bust.
The mintmark looks to be an "A" and is about 32mm.



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Trout - that looks like a 2 Sols. Paris mint.

The French Gadoury catalogue gives the diameter of the 12-deniers (1 sol) coin as 27-29mm and the 2-sols as 32-36mm.
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Thanks Rob
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Thank you Rob that was a nice read and just what I was looking for
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Nice grab Zorex! These late 1700's copper are almost always super worn. Money of any kind was tough to find during these years and the coppers exchanged hands for years during and after the French revolution.

Anyone who likes audio history try out Revolutions Podcast by Mike Duncan. Its awesome!
http://www.revolutionspodcast.com
He has the American(s), British, French, and Haitian revolutions. It is amazing to hear how interlinked all of these revolutions were.
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Nice pick up ..

I do find it interesting, on how worn some of these coins get.
(I do have a better grade .. somewhere in my collection)


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I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I'm puzzled as to what it is you see in this "coin."
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Quote:
I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I'm puzzled as to what it is you see in this "coin."


With a coin that is this old and worn due to circulation you can almost "Feel" the history in the coin.
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I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I'm puzzled as to what it is you see in this "coin."


Old copper coins call to me. More so pre 1850's copper.

When I see them in junk coin buckets .. I pick most of them up.

As trout1105 posted ... they are a connection to history.
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